Dear fellow Netizen,

To conclude this outrageous thread, I want to tell you that
Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
selfish personal vengeance. 

My professional advice is to ignore any attention-seeker, like
Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like him need treatment and lots
of rest.  The best you can do is to ignore his self-advertisements
and postings claiming his self-righteousness,
which will hopefully help him overcome his sickness.

Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 

> ---------------------------------------------------------
Roman Kanala ) wrote:
: Dear fellow Netizen,
: 
: [...lies deleted...]
: This weekend, I will address some recent defamatory allegations of 
: Mr. Frajkor that will, as a side product, demonstrate his use of 
: the abovementioned tools.
: The articles will appear in Slovak-L only and will not be crossposted
: ... 
: Roman Kanala
: 

Igor GAZDIK > wrote:

>	that, of course, is the priviledge of the great ones.
>	a hungarian does not know his limitations when it comes
>	to opening up his mouth and spreading venom around.

Objecting to Gazdik's chauvinistic insults agains Hungarians is
considered "spreading venom around."  Figures ...

>	joe alias pannon is a hungarian (ako repa, i'd like to add)

Is Igor an alias for Ignor(e)?  I wonder ...

Joe

Only an American could ask a question like that!  It is called "HUNGARY" -
and I live in South Africa (Do you know where that is?)

Vera Hailey > wrote in article >...
> I have a stamp collection and am trying to figure out what country 
> "Magyar" is. I can't find it in my book. Can you help?

In article >  (Kristina Szure
k) writes:
>From:  (Kristina Szurek)
>Subject: Re: Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L
>Date: 27 Aug 1996 19:08:41 GMT

>Dear fellow Netizen,

>To conclude this outrageous thread,

You can conclude whatever you want, but the fact remains that Mr. Kanala is 
NOT creating ANY kind of anti-Slovak propaganda. Mr. Kanala is merely pointing 
out (and he does that for a number of years now) a tendency of Mr. Frajkor to 
tolerate and sometimes outright promote fascist tendencies on Slovak-L (all 
that while hiding behind "academic freedom") - if you need examples from the 
past: Mr. Frajkor denies a responsibility of Jozef Tiso for death of tens of 
thousands of Jews during WWII, he regularly promotes a nationalistic hatred 
toward Czechs (his invention of "Real-Slovaks" and "czecho-philes").  

> I want to tell you that
>Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
>shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
>attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
>selfish personal vengeance. 

I do not believe that...

>My professional advice 

Professional? "Professionals" like you put Andrei Sakharov to mental hospital, 
because his opinions were not liked by the communist regime. I assume that you 
"earned" your questionable title during a communist regime, too..

>is to ignore any attention-seeker, like
>Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like him need treatment and lots
>of rest.  The best you can do is to ignore his self-advertisements
>and postings claiming his self-righteousness,
>which will hopefully help him overcome his sickness.

You forgot to end up your post by "Heil Hitler!"

>Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 

>---------------------------------------------------------
>Roman Kanala ) wrote:
>: Dear fellow Netizen,
>: 
>: [...lies deleted...]
>: This weekend, I will address some recent defamatory allegations of 
>: Mr. Frajkor that will, as a side product, demonstrate his use of 
>: the abovementioned tools.
>: The articles will appear in Slovak-L only and will not be crossposted
>: ... 
>: Roman Kanala
>: 


Rosta

In article >,  () wrote:
>From the news:
>
>>HUNGARY'S BOSNIAN REFUGEES CAST THEIR BALLOTS. Some 2,000 Bosnian
>>refugees in Hungary have voted in the Bosnian national elections, ahead
>>of hundreds of thousands of others still living in exile, Reuters
>>reported on 26 August. According to an OSCE official the voting was
>>completed without any irregularities among Hungary's Muslim-dominated
>>Bosnian community. Under the Dayton agreement, Bosnian citizens living
>>abroad are entitled to vote for parliamentary and local council
>>candidates prior to the Bosnian elections, which are set for 14
>>September. -- Zsofia Szilagyi
>
>I wonder when Hungary grants the same rights to her citizens abroad.
>
>Joe

Citizens are allowed (and welcome) to vote, they only have to go there. 

Or you want to vote on the internet ?
Or you think that it is too dangerous to go to Hungary these days?
Or why at all would be somebody allowed to vote if he/she does not want to go 
to Hungary?
Or should foreigners decide about Hungary?
(You must be kidding...)

SzP.


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 (Ross Hedvicek) wrote:

>Mr. Kanala is merely pointing 
>out (and he does that for a number of years now) a tendency of Mr. Frajkor to 
>tolerate and sometimes outright promote fascist tendencies on Slovak-L (all 
>that while hiding behind "academic freedom") - if you need examples from the 
>past: Mr. Frajkor denies a responsibility of Jozef Tiso for death of tens of 
>thousands of Jews during WWII, he regularly promotes a nationalistic hatred 
>toward Czechs (his invention of "Real-Slovaks" and "czecho-philes").  

I agree. One of the reasons I no longer sunscribe to that mailing
list. Frajkor's ignorant intolerance was getting a tad boring after a
while. 

>> I want to tell you that
>>Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
>>shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
>>attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
>>selfish personal vengeance. 

I've been reading Roman's posts for well over a year and a half, and
have seen none of that.  

>>My professional advice 
>>is to ignore any attention-seeker, like Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like 
>>him need treatment and lots of rest.  
>> ... hopefully help him overcome his sickness.
>>Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 

I think that Roman should seriously consider filing a formal complaint
against this woman.  For anyone to claim being a professional and to
commit such a gross breach of professional ethics is simply
scandalous.

If I were in Roman's shoes, I would consider taking steps to have this
woman's certificate recalled.  It is one thing to flame somebody on
Usenet, but a completely another to try to flog what is an ordinary
garden variety spiteful flame, as a professional opinion.

Further, I would like to know why she felt compelled to cross-post her
venom into so many newsgroups.


Karl Pollak
Richmond, British Columbia

In article > >,
    HipCat > wrote:
> 
> You can go to HIX -  http://hix.mit.edu/ - which has a geneology
> hypernews section.  HIS is an excellent resource!  It is rather
> difficult to do Hung. geneology sateside since the west is very
> west-centric, and Hungarian resources are scarce.  At HIX there are a
> few individulas and I think companies that will help probably for a fee.
> Good Luck!!!!
> -- 
> Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/
> 


Thank You very much for your information!
I'm on my way to check it out!

Ragards,
DIane'
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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On 27 Aug 1996 19:08:41 GMT, Miss Kristina Szurek wrote the following
(I have deleted the quotation of my previous text, Miss Kristina Szurek
has omitted the key parts of it anyway) :

> Dear fellow Netizen,
> 
> To conclude this outrageous thread, I want to tell you that
> Mr. Kanala is creating anti-Slovakian propaganda and with the
> shameless lies and posting like the last one here is trying to
> attract attention and steal your valuable time for his 
> selfish personal vengeance. 
> 
> My professional advice is to ignore any attention-seeker, like
> Mr.Kanala.  Sick individuals like him need treatment and lots
> of rest.  The best you can do is to ignore his self-advertisements
> and postings claiming his self-righteousness,
> which will hopefully help him overcome his sickness.
> 
> Kristina, B.A. Psych., Rehab. Cert. 


On the contrary, it's only now that this thread is beginning. 
But, at the first place, let's have a look at Miss Kristina Szurek.


First of all, Miss Kristina Szurek is neither a professional nor a 
scholar. This girl just obtained (June 1996) a Bachelor degree in Child
psychology from York University and although she is not on the list 
of students anymore, she still seems to enjoy her privilege of using her 
E-mail account. She has absolutely no idea about scholar work, but 
worse, as we see, she has not suceeded to get any fundaments of 
professional deontology. This is a blatant a case of abuse, usurpation 
and forgery and Miss Szurek will have to respond for that lack of 
professional ethics. Let's wish her good luck in her job hunting, 
the activity she is doing right now.

She states that I am creating "anti-Slovakian propaganda". How's this ?
I am regularly speaking about the situation in Slovakia. We who read
the newspapers know what the situation in the country is. When speaking 
about, I always anchor my opinions on facts quoted from newspapers 
articles that are left unedited. The worst anti-Slovakian propaganda is 
the existence of people who, like Miss Kristina Szurek, display fascizoid 
opinions, have recourse to deloyal and dirty methods and loudly claim to 
be Slovaks.

Miss Kristina Szurek further says about some "shameless lies like the 
last one here", but fails to precise what exactly she is calling under
these names. Omitting facts is symptomatic for propaganda.

Indeed, such kind of messages are regularly appearing on the Slovak-L 
mailing list. Spreading racial and national hatred, national-hate based 
harrassment and scene of various criminal acts are what Slovak-L mailing
list has become. All this is being done under the eyes and with a 
participation of Mr. Frajkor, listowner of Slovak-L. 

But there is worse. Mr. Frajkor has publicly approved some of these 
reprehensible schemes of behaviour, has participated in them and even 
initiated them. All that is freely available on the Net and everyone 
can verify that statement of facts. As I have announced, my intention 
is to publish a resume of that on the Slovak-L list.


But Miss Kristina Szurek goes even further. Concerning her
allegations like "attention-seeker", "sick person need treatment",
issued "as a professional", she will have to respond for them. 


One single remark about "selfish personal vengeance". After Mr. 
Joe Pannon crossposted one article of her (of 2 August 96) to 
soc.culture.magyar, I have chosen to correct the image of Slovaks
and to address some of Miss Szurek's extremist allegations, which 
carefully I quoted and marked as such, together with the list of my 
factual objections (to keep this cross-posting short, only Miss 
Szurek's text is quoted):

> As much as I hate dividing land and countries, and drawing borderlines,
> in today's day and age, one must establish ownership.  So just as much as
> I am responsible for the content of this message, because I am its owner,
> the Slovak Government is responsible for the running of their country.
....
> As I said before, I have nothing against the Hungarian minority
> living mostly in the southern part of Western Slovakia Region (na juhu
> Zapadoslovenskeho Kraja), I do object to this minority, or any minority
> in general in breaking laws, or attempting to take advantage of the
> system.  I fully support the Slovakian Government in their ways to
> pretoct themselves.
....
> Slovakia, or the other option is that Slovak-Hungarians are just
> loud-mouthed, give-them-a-helping-hand-and-they-grab-the-whole-arm,
> always-wanting-more type of people.
....
> I do not know what the Slovak government has up their sleves (I do not
> follow overseas politics too closely), but they should introduce more of
> those laws that strengthen and support Slovak nationalism and unity.
....


More of those laws that strengthen and support Slovak nationalism and 
unity. Some of them already passed, like Law on State Language, Law on 
New Territorial Organisation, some other are in preparation, like Law 
on the Protection of the Republics and Law on the Death Penalty.


So, to resume: 

Slovak-L is exactly like that. Mr. Frajkor, as a listowner, has publicly
welcomed Miss Szurek's original message and is participating, either as 
a complice, or personally, in spreading national-oriented hate propaganda.

If this sample was not yet enough, despite all the low attacks and dirty
tricks I am subject to since a couple of days, despite all the attemps to 
keep me busy, I confirm my intention to publish on the Slovak-L list a 
compilate on the following topics:

Mr. Frajkor is using lies as a work tool.
Mr. Frajkor is approving hate-driven harrassment. 
Mr. Frajkor is approving, participating in, or issuing himself 
national-biased hatred statements, all that in a public forum.

Mr. Frajkor is currently an Associate Professor at the School of 
Journalism, University of Carleton, Canada, a country where spreading
of national hatred is forbidden by the law.

Roman Kanala