For God's sake, how many Hungarians live in Transylvania?? Soon there'll
be like 25 million...

In article >,  wri
tes:
>Dear Colleauges,
>
>In less than two weeks, Clinton will meet with Iliescu in the White House.
>This is a great opportunity for the Hungarian Lobby to influence Mr.
>Clinton's positions during these discussions. I would like to ask you to send
>E-Mail messages to Bill Clinton. To assist you in that, I am attaching a few
>points you might consider to include in your letter:
>
>E-Mail Address: 
>
>Dear Mr. President,
>
>1.64 million Hungarian Americans are looking forward, with High expectations,
>to your meetings with president Iliescu of Romania. We hope that in your
>meetings you will find an opportunity to request the following from him:
>
>1) Restoration of Hungarian autonomy in Transylvania:
>We agree with your recommendation for Bosnia, which would guarantee autonomy
>for all the warring groups. Similarly to that approach, we feel that it is
>high time to restore this same autonomy to Europe's largest minority, the
>Hungarians of Transylvania, who's numbers exceed the TOTAL POPULATION OF
>BOSNIA. This autonomy was guaranteed by the Great Powers in 1920, again in
>1946, it survived even under Communist rule and in 1993 it has been again
>recommended by the European Parliament, in their resolution 1201.
>
>2) Rescinding the "Language Law" of 1995:
>This law destroys the 500 years old Hungarian school system and  subjects the
>2.5 million Hungarian minority to cultural genocide. By treating language and
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>culture as a police matter, Romania is being converted from a multi-ethnic
>federation into an intolerant nation-state.
>
>3) Equal privatization for all:
>The properties of Hungarian individuals and churches should be returned.
>There should be no discrimination in favor of Romanians.
>
>4) Stop the "Culture Police":
>The Hungarian language TV, radio and press should be restored.
>
>5) Recall Ambassador Moses:
>Lastly, we feel, that Mr. Moses has compromised the high standards of
>American diplomacy. His comparing Bishop Laszlo Tokes, the hero of the 1989
>anti-Ceaucescu Revolution to a racist fanatic was inexcuseable.
>
>Respectfully yours,
>Name, address, title

H & G BROWN > writes:
 
>>I am curious to know if the family's choice of the
>>name Ladislaw (rather than Laszlo) might suggest anything.  
 
I would suspect that someone from Hungary, especially northern Hungary might
interchangably use Laszlo, Ladislaus, or Lasdislaw... depending on the
audience.  In America, Leslie might also come up.
Remembering the early sixties, when the vast majority of 56-ers became US
citizens, most of us kept our HUngarian last names but opted for the English
translation of our first names.
In my case, my Hungarian passport shows Karoly and my US passport shows
Charles.  To me they are the same name in tha same vein as Magyarorszag is
Hungary, Ungarn, Hongrie, etc.
Belive me, trying to start a new life at a time most of were convinced we will
never again see our homeland, having an English first name was much easier and
helpful than keeping our Hungarian names
Of course, thtere were many who either had names that were difficult to
translate (Arpad, Attlia, etc) and there were many who chose not to translate.
Perhaps the most surprising incident I remember was a weekend in the early
sixties, when almost every weekend we celebrated yet another Hungarian's US
citizenship, was a friend of ours, who used his right to have the Courts award
any name he chose.  Imagin
e after 5 years, having called him Imre, he announced that his new,
Americanized name is Zsolt.  He always liked the name Zsolt, and he used the US
courts to name him that.
 
Regards...
Charlie, Karcsi, Karoly, Karesz, stb., etc.

>        Kedves Megege'szse'gesede'sunkre!  <w>
>
>Mike.  :)
>

Vow!!!
               I thought "legeslegmegmenthetettlensegedre" was a bad joke
but yours is a jewel!

Janos  :)

>alis, helyette a "csirio" is hasznalatos.
>
>7
>                hallo1514

Most often "egeszsegedre"(in the "THOU" case) is used meanining "to thy health"
,
or "egeszsegere' (to YOUR health)

-):Janos

It is quite simple! It is because the Golden Rule is being applied! 
Whoever has the Gold makes the Rule! 
Seriously... just keep posting your article untill you get them sick.

Tudja valaki a smarninak (vagy smo'rninak) a receptje't?

ko:sz, szami

In article >, Peter .
com (Peter Kaslik) says:

>Gentlemen
>I posted a letter of Mr. Miklos Csapody, a Hungarian Member of parliament 
>to the Prime Minister ofHungary urging the Prime Minister to take a stand 
>against the ethnic cleansing of ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina. This posting
>was on the sreen of soc.culture.magyar for one single day only and for three
>more days it could be read only if one recalled all the articles. I tried to 
>discover some rules in the manner you post and keep your articles on screen, 
>but I don't seem to be able to see any consistency. For examle, an articel 
>titled "Auschwitz Explained" was on the main screen for much longer, and 
>than our posting regarding the Hungarian ethnic community in Vojvodina.
>Who decides on this matters and what are the rules?

Dear Peter,

Good point. I'd like to know too!

May your work on behalf of Hungarians in Vojvodina bear fruit. I've made
several postings to the alt.current affairs.bosnia ng on this matter in an
attempt to bring it to the attention of readers concerned with events in
(ex-) Yugoslavia. 

BTW, do your human rights considerations exclude females? Why do you not
address the readership of this ng with "LADIES & Gentlemen"?

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In article >,
J.Goldberg > wrote:
>From what I have heard of Hungarians who develop English accents in Hungarian
>is a change in sentence intonation, plus using less Hungarian
>sentence structure.  My wife is often mistaken for a foreigner when
>we return to Hungary.  What's more is that I am sometimes mistaken for
>a drunk and mentally retarded Hungarian when I speak Hungarian.
>
This reminds me of a story from an American friend who had lived in Spain
for several years.  He was learning French.  When he tried to speak French
to someone in person, they would look at him and start speaking to him in
English.  If he were to try when the other person couldn't see him (e.g. on
the phone) they would speak back to him in Spanish.  His Spanish accent was
so good that it would leak into his French--causing  the recipient to assume
his native language was Spanish.  
-- 

In article Andras Nagy wrote:
>Marcus Stromberg wrote:
>: or does it exists other, better words that should be used in front of
>: "Isteneltesse"?
>: If someone from my own, native country should read this: Jag menar ordet
>: "sk}l", givetvis...
>: All help will be appreciated.
>: Marcus
> Albeit not much of a drinker, but "ege'sse'gedre" would be closer to 
> "cheers". Also remember "Isten. Isten" as "cheers". For a big drinking
> country Hungary does not have a uniform "prosit" or "cheers" in the
> language. 
> Cheers
> Andras

	There is also the longer version which is as follows:

	Kedves Megege'szse'gesede'sunkre!  <w>

Mike.  :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

danubius wrote with the Subject "Re: SCM: The Usual Suspects":

> >Zsa Zsa has never been a Hungarian.
>
> That's news to me, for her accent is so typically Hungarian, not
> German!

She was born in Budapest, Hungary (06.02.1919) under the real name "Sari  
Gabor"; got elected as "Miss Hungary" and went to the USA. Her actual  
nationality is American.

Some other Hungarians in the "classical" film business You might know  
(this a cross-reference between aka-name which is taken from HTML-page):

        +BR+HAM, P=E1l .................. ABRAHAM, Paul
        +BR+HAM, Paul ................. ABRAHAM, Paul
        ALP+R, Gitta .................. ALP+R, Gitta
        ANDR+S, Marton ................ ANDR+S, Marton
        BAKY, Josef von ............... BAKY, Josef von
        BAKY, J=F3zsef .................. BAKY, Josef von
        BAL+CS, B=E9la .................. BAL+ZS, B=E9la
        BAL+ZS, B=E9la .................. BAL+ZS, B=E9la
        BANKY, Vilma .................. BANKY, Vilma
        B+RSONY, Rose ................. B+RSONY, Rosy
        B+RSONY, Rosy ................. B+RSONY, Rosy
        B+RSONY, R=F3zsi ................ B+RSONY, Rosy
        BAUER, Herbert ................ BAL+ZS, B=E9la
        BIRa, Lajos ................... BIRa, Lajos
        BLASKa, B=E9la Ferenc Dezsoe .... LUGOSI, B=E9la
        BOLV+RY, G=E9za ................. BOLV+RY, G=E9za von
        BOLV+RY, G=E9za von ............. BOLV+RY, G=E9za von
        BOLV+RY-ZAHN, G=E9za von ........ BOLV+RY, G=E9za von
        CORDA, Maria .................. KORDA, Maria
        COURTICE, Michael ............. CURTIZ, Michael
        CSER=C9PY, Arsen von ............ CSER=C9PY, Arz=E9n von
        CSER=C9PY, Arz=E9n ................ CSER=C9PY, Arz=E9n von
        CZIFFRA, G=E9za ................. CZIFFRA, G=E9za von
        CZIFFRA, G=E9za von ............. CZIFFRA, G=E9za von
        CZINNER, P=E1l .................. CZINNER, Paul
        CZINNER, Paul ................. CZINNER, Paul
        DE PUTTY, Amalia .............. DE PUTTY, Lya
        DE PUTTY, Lya ................. DE PUTTY, Lya
        DEZSOE, Blask=F3 B=E9la Ferenc .... LUGOSI, B=E9la
        DORAINE, Lucy ................. DORAINE, Lucy
        EGGERTH, M=E1rta ................ EGGERTH, M=E1rta
        EGGERTH, M=E1rtha ............... EGGERTH, M=E1rta
        EGGERTH-KIEPURA, M=E1rta ........ EGGERTH, M=E1rta
        ESTERHAZY, Agnes .............. ESTERHAZY, Agnes
        ESVAY, Alexander .............. ESWAY, Alexander
        ESVAY, S=E1ndor ................. ESWAY, Alexander
        ESWAY, Alexander E. ........... ESWAY, Alexander
        ESWAY, S=E1ndor ................. ESWAY, Alexander
        ESZTERHAZY, Agnes ............. ESTERHAZY, Agnes
        FARKAS, Mikl=F3s ................ FARKAS, Nikolaus
        FARKAS, Nicolaus .............. FARKAS, Nikolaus
        FARKAS, Nikolaus .............. FARKAS, Nikolaus
        FEJSS, P=E1l .................... FEJOES, Paul
        FEJOES, Paul .................. FEJOES, Paul
        GA+L, Franciska ............... GA+L, Franziska
        GAAL, Franziska ............... GA+L, Franziska
        GARAS, M=E1rton ................. GARAS, M=E1rton
        GERS, Eugen ................... SZAK+LL, SzSke
        GERS, JenS .................... SZAK+LL, SzSke
        GERTLER, Victor ............... GERTLER, Viktor
        GERTLER, Viktor ............... GERTLER, Viktor
        HALMAI, Tibor ................. HALMAY, Tibor
        HALMAI, Tibor von ............. HALMAY, Tibor
        HOLLAY, Camilla ............... HOLLAY, Camilla von
        HOLLAY, Camilla von ........... HOLLAY, Camilla von
        HUSZ+R, Puffy ................. HUSZ+R-PUFFY, Karl
        HUSZ+R-PUFFY, Karl ............ HUSZ+R-PUFFY, Karl
        ILL=C9S, Eugen .................. ILL=C9S, Eugen
        ILL=C9S, JenS ................... ILL=C9S, Eugen
        KELLNER, S=E1ndor L=E1szl=F3 ........ KORDA, Alexander
        KERT=C9SZ, Michael .............. CURTIZ, Michael
        KERT=C9SZ, Mih=E1ly ............... CURTIZ, Michael
        KOD+LY, Zolt=E1n ................ ZOLT+N, Zolt=E1n
        KORDA, Maria .................. KORDA, Maria
        KORDA, S=E1ndor ................. KORDA, Alexander
        KORDA, Sir Alexander .......... KORDA, Alexander
        KORDA, Zolt=E1n ................. KORDA, Zolt=E1n
        KOeRRER, Maria (?) ............ ROEKK, Marika
        LEH+R, Ferenc ................. LEH+R, Franz
        LEH+R, Franz ............... .. LEH+R, Franz
        LENKEFFI, Ilona ............... LENKEFFI, Ilona
        LOEWENSTEIN, Ladislav ......... LORRE, Peter
        LONCHIT, Vilma (?) ............ BANKY, Vilma
        LORRE, Peter .................. LORRE, Peter
        LUGOSI, B=E9la .................. LUGOSI, B=E9la
        LUGOSSY, B=E9la ................. LUGOSI, B=E9la
        MARTIN, P=E1l ................... MARTIN, Paul
        MARTIN, Paul .................. MARTIN, Paul
        METZNER, ErnS ................. METZNER, Ernst
        METZNER, Ernst ................ METZNER, Ernst
        MOHOLY-NAGY, L=E1szl=F3 ........... MOHOLY-NAGY, L=E1szl=F3
        NAGY, Kaethe .................. NAGY, Kaethe von
        NAGY, Kaethe von .............. NAGY, Kaethe von
        NORMAN, Peggy ................. NORMAN, Peggy
        NaTI, Karl .................... NaTI, Karl
        NaTI, K=E1roly .................. NaTI, Karl
        OLT, Arisztid ................. LUGOSI, B=E9la
        P+L, FejSs .................... FEJOES, Paul
        PIRAT, Fritz .................. CZIFFRA, G=E9za von
        PRESSBURGER, Emeric ........... PRESSBURGER, Emmerich
        PRESSBURGER, Emmerich ......... PRESSBURGER, Emmerich
        PRESSBURGER, Imre J=F3zsef ...... PRESSBURGER, Emmerich
        PUFFY, Charles ................ HUSZ+R-PUFFY, Karl
        PUFI, Husz=E1r Karl ............. HUSZ+R-PUFFY, Karl
        R+DAY, Imre ................... R+DAY, Imre
        ROEKK, Maria Karoline ......... ROEKK, Marika
        ROeEKK, Marie Karoline ........ ROEKK, Maria
        SAKALL, S. Z. ................. SZAK+LL, SzSke
        S+NDOR, L=E1szl=F3 ................ S+NDOR, L=E1szl=F3
        SCHUSTEK, R=F3zsa ............... B+RSONY, Rosy
        SEKELY, Steve ................. SZ=C9KELY, Hans
        SOMLAY, Artur ................. SOMLAY, Artur
        SZAK+LL, SzSke ................ SZAK+LL, SzSke
        SZ=C9KELY, Hans ................. SZ=C9KELY, Hans
        SZ=C9KELY, Ibolya ............... NORMAN, Peggy
        SZ=C9KELY, Istv=E1n ............... SZ=C9KELY, Istv=E1n
        SZ=C9KELY, J=E1nos ................ SZ=C9KELY, Hans
        SZEKELY, Stefan ............... SZ=C9KELY, Hans
        SZEKELY, Steve ................ SZ=C9KELY, Hans
        TASN+DY-FEKETE, Maria ......... TASN+DY-FEKETE, Maria
        VAJDA, Ladislao ............... VAJDA (sen.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislao ............... VAJDA (jun.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislas ............... VAJDA (sen.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislas ............... VAJDA (sen.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislas ............... VAJDA (jun.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislas ............... VAJDA (jun.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislau ............... VAJDA (sen.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, Ladislau ............... VAJDA (jun.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, L=E1szl=F3 ................. VAJDA (sen.), Ladislaus
        VAJDA, L=E1szl=F3 ................. VAJDA (jun.), Ladislaus
        VEREBES, ErnS ................. VEREBES, Ernst
        VIR+GH, +rp=E1d ................. VIR+GH, Arpad
        WEISZ, Ladislaus .............. MOHOLY-NAGY, L=E1szl=F3
        WEISZ, L=E1szl=F3 ................. MOHOLY-NAGY, L=E1szl=F3
        WIEDER, Konrad ................ CSER=C9PY, Arz=E9n von

-Agon

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Hi,

I'm doing a study of international cuisine and need the name and address
of the

President (or equivalent) and

Mayor of three of the largest towns.


Thanks.
Eva

On 15 Sep 1995 Peter@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:
....
> Who decides on this matters and what are the rules?
....

Dear Peter, 
Please, read the articles in the news.announce.newusers group. Those 
are quite useful for every beginner. Usenet specific questions  might be 
answered faster in the news.newusers.questions group. Also, there are 
plenty of books about network services that deal with Usenet.
Different news readers treat read articles differently. Some cases you 
have to explicitly delete the news (pine), other readers (trn, Netscape) 
automatically hide articles that you have already read.
Different news servers delete (expire) news articles after a different 
period of time automatically. You can also set expiraton date for the 
articles you post. If you think your articles have been deleted at your 
LOCAL news site  (I could not see evidence for that at any other site I 
can  reach), please, complain to your news administrator or change the 
news server you are downloading your articles from. 
Take care,
Gotthard

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