Eva S. Balogh ) wrote:
:
: I still maintain that given the parameters within which the 1910 census was
: created (i.e., the which language do you speak best?) it was not grossly
: inaccurate. If we just remain with the Jewish population, as an example.
: Sure, if you spoke Hungarian and Yiddish with equal facility, you would put
: yourself down as Hungarian speaking.

why?

Garry Collins ) wrote:
: Gabor Fencsik > wrote...
:
: > .....Peter Bornemissza, a fiery 16th century preacher, who must have
: > anticipated the antics of the Siliconvalley Gang when he said, in the
: > pungent no-nonsense language of the era: "Ha szarral harcolsz, ha
: > megbirod is, ha megbir is, szaros leszesz."  Words to live by.
:
: Sorry to be a pest Gabor, could you provide a rough translation for us Non
: Hungarian speakers?
:
:     GarryC.
:

roughly:

"if you engage in battle with shit, whether you prevail over it or
whether it prevails over you, you'll end up covered with shit."

d.a.

> Felado :  [Canada]
>
> Is anyone on this newsgroup outraged by the vicious attacks on the Chechen
> rebels by the Russian army
Yes.

> I find the silence of western governments to Russian excesses in Chechnya
> difficult to understand.
I do not. I believe it to be a quid pro quo for Russia, historically
a strong supporter of Serbia, not undermining the Bosnia peace effort.
It looks as if the western powers told Russia: OK, stop making trouble
outside your borders and in return we will turn a blind eye toward
what you do inside.

Andra1s Kornai

Andras Kornai wrote:

>I do not. I believe it to be a quid pro quo for Russia, historically
>a strong supporter of Serbia, not undermining the Bosnia peace effort.
>It looks as if the western powers told Russia: OK, stop making trouble
>outside your borders and in return we will turn a blind eye toward
>what you do inside.

Yes.  That's probably what happened.  Besides, what else could the western
powers do?

However, what happens if Boris Yeltsin uses this crisis to delay or suspend
the presidential elections?  It seems that Yeltsin stumbles from one
internal crisis to another.  And of course, an internal 'crisis' can always
'justify' the suspension of democratic elections, especially when the
president appears to be heading to a defeat.  His only major supporter in
the Chechen crisis is that mad dog Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who would gladly
napalm the whole region and just about everything else.

Will the West be willing to support Yeltsin if he suspends the democratic
elections?  Surely there are limits to Western support.

Joe Szalai

"Alexander N. Bossy" > on 17 Jan 96 writes:


>                                             60% of the population
>on the territory transfered back to Hungary under the terms of the
>Vienna diktat was also ethnic Romanian. Consequently, it most certainly
>was not "far more based on ethnic self-determination". Alexander

Would you care to document your population statistics? Also, the term
"diktat" is out of place since the Romanian government agreed to, and
indeed was a signatory to the agreement returning the predominantly,
though not exclusively, Hungarian populated areas of Erdely to
Hungary.

CSABA K. ZOLTANI

) wrote:

>>      Sadly, sport (quality of) in Hungary seems to be a bit on the naff
>>side at the moment, at least compared with what sport was like before most of
>>Hungary`s athletes left during/after 1956. Before `56 no one country could
>>touch the Hungarians in almost any sport you could care to mention.
>
>
> you mean like swimming, athletics, tennis, golf, hockey, ice hockey,
> skiing, sailing.....?
>
>d.a

        O.K., mainstream sports! But you are wrong with athletics, ice hockey,
swimming and sailing; and even golf - O.k. he was an American Hungarian (I
think Bokros was his name, great player during the seventies)



Karcsi

In article >, Lee Laborczfalvi
> wrote:

>   I was corresponding with someone at that address but now I get the
> response "error getting network address for 'akg.isk.huninet.hu'.  What
> happened to this network address, and what, if anything is it called now?
>   I would appreciate an e-mail response.  I am pretty sure that akg was
> "Alternative Kozgazdagsagi Gymnazium"
> Thanks,
> Lee Laborczfalvi
> Sydney
> Australia

I will forward your query to my friend Mr. Spanyik )
who might be able to help you.

Best regards,

Peter Ulbrich

Sam writes:

>Flagging a bit, are we, Dougie? Perhaps you shouldn't start these things
>when you don't have the wit to finish them.
>Sam Stowe


Sam,

        You commit the logical error of thinking that because I refuse to
stoop to your vulgar, raving style of discourse, I have bowed to your point
of view or otherwise can't support my own.  Nothing could be further from
the truth.  My point has been made and I see no need or purpose in
repeating it over and over again. If it would make you feel better, why
don't you just declare a victory and go home.  I'm certain that your
friends will be impressed.  However, if you wish to continue attacking me
personally - since that's the only thing you've done so far - please do.
As the saying goes, "Whatever floats your boat"!

Regards,



Doug Hormann

Try postmaster and the address and/or go to Hungarian Home Page.

Nora wrote:

>Generally, the prevailing attitude of Hungarian males in Hungary seems to
>be that women are responsible for staying home with the husband
>(and children, if any) and taking care of the "female" household chores.

And preferably be quiet. Nothing annoys them more than an intelligent,
educated, liberated, outspoken woman. Like wolves they jump on her and
suddenly all that old-fashioned gentlemanly attitude disappear--only ugliness
remains.

Eva Balogh

I'd have to agree with Joe on this one - I came to the conclusion long
ago that women had larger brains.  Of course, the dinosaurs had large
brains as well!
As for feminists, I can do without (be it here, in Hungary, or anywhere
else in the world for that matter).  I see no point in one devoting their
entire life to being suspicious of how their own sex might be threatened.
Wake up and smell the 90's - we are all threatened, and whining about it
won't solve anything.  If at all, I think the Feminist movement loses
credibility out of its mere existence!

On Feb. 24 1996.  The Tulipan Hungarian Dancers are holding a concert
entitled, "Tree of Life" or "Elet Fa".
Admission is $10.00 for Adults
             $ 8.00 for Students/Seniors
             Children under 12 are free.
Following the performance there will be a traditional Tanc Haz.
We will have guest performers:
                Bokreta Dance Ensemble from Montreal
                Kodaly Dance Ensemble from Toronto
We hope that you will come to see our performance and fall into the trance
of an evening in Hungary.
For further informatio please contact:
        Susan Toth-Blackburn  (613) 233-6792
        Kati Deczky   (613) 728-9971
        Chirstina Magyar (613) 828-1197
                         
                         
> ---------------------------------------------/\--------/\--------------
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>
> HUNGARIAN CABINET DISCUSSES SURPLUS PRIVATIZATION REVENUES.
> Privatization Minister Tamas Suchman is urging the government to
> allocate some of the surplus privatization revenues to infrastructure
> development. The parliament in late December approved spending all
> surplus revenues--some 285 billion forints ($2 billion)--on repaying the
> foreign debt. But Hungary's coalition parties have been split over the
> issue since last November; Finance Minister Lajos Bokros and Alliance of
> Free Democrats are in favor of using the money to pay off the debt,
> while most socialist deputies, including Prime Minister Gyula Horn, are
> opposed. -- Zsofia Szilagyi

Last I heard, wasn't the total debt about 4 billion dollars? If so, are
the Socialists trying invest in reducing the debt at a later date? If
anything, drop that money into human capital, if not the debt.

Just what Hungary needs, superhighways encouraging brain drain. Does
anyone else on the list have a closer read on this? Specifically, what
types of infrastructure Suchman wants to put these forints into?


Darren Purcell
FSU
Department of Geography

>
> I'd have to agree with Joe on this one - I came to the conclusion long
> ago that women had larger brains.  Of course, the dinosaurs had large
> brains as well!
> As for feminists, I can do without (be it here, in Hungary, or anywhere
> else in the world for that matter).  I see no point in one devoting their
> entire life to being suspicious of how their own sex might be threatened.
> Wake up and smell the 90's - we are all threatened, and whining about it
> won't solve anything.  If at all, I think the Feminist movement loses
> credibility out of its mere existence!
>

Szalai UR,,NEM!!!!! Me thinks you have fallen for the idea of
post-modernity, when all arguments are made equal, and that while yes we
are all in the same boat (being attacked by the evil capitalists and
MNC's), the rules ont that boat are not always the same for everyone.
Feminsim is not the same everywhere. It is wholly different concept in
Hungary and say Ukraine (where my wife did her research on on Womens'
political movements). Teh Hungarian feminists I spoke with were tired of
being unequal in the same country...so, until the rules are the same for
everyone, I will support the cause of feminism.

BEst to all,

Darren

At 09:30 AM 1/18/96 -0500, J.A. Szalai wrote:

>I'd have to agree with Joe on this one - I came to the conclusion long
>ago that women had larger brains.  Of course, the dinosaurs had large
>brains as well!

With an agreement like this, who needs disagreement?  As for dinosaurs, I'm
sure J.A. Szalai is related to one.  As for the rest of his dribble, all I
can say is that if he plans to go and sow his wild oats this weekend, I hope
he has crop failure.  Although he's new to this group, one of him is already
more than enough.

Joe G. Szalai

At 12:51 PM 1/18/96 -0500, Eva Balogh wrote:

>And preferably be quiet. Nothing annoys them more than an intelligent,
>educated, liberated, outspoken woman. Like wolves they jump on her and
>suddenly all that old-fashioned gentlemanly attitude disappear--only
>ugliness remains.

I have to agree with Eva Balogh's comments.

Because I'm a man, I've had the chance to listen to other men say the most
misogynistic nonsense imaginable.  Obviously, not all men are male
chauvinist pigs.  However, the percentage who are is scandalous.  If the
Christian right (a group I have no fondness for) ever wanted to discredit
Darwin's theories of evolution, all they would have to do is to point out
that many men relate to women more or less the same way as the Neanderthal's
did.

Joe Szalai

At 04:19 PM 1/18/96 -0500, James Doepp wrote:

>I guess they just respond to ugliness with more ugliness...  Nothing
>wrong with intelligent and educated women, but liberated and outspoken is
>too often an excuse for bitchy.

Welcome back James.

Men are already liberated, vis-a-vis women.  Would you call an intelligent,
educated, and outspoken man, a bitch or a role model?  Since I'm sure of
what your answer will be, can I ask why you have a double standard?

Joe Szalai

This appeared on the list several times:

>ago that women had larger brains.  Of course, the dinosaurs had large
>brains as well!

Where did they find this bullshit? As far as I know the dinosaurs had
small brain (very small!), especially the bigger ones (Tyrannosaurus,
Brontosaurus,etc). However one of them (I guess the Brontosaurus) had
actually two brains (or at least some kind of nerve center), one at
its normal place and the other at the hip, but both were small.

Janos

In article >, zcapl74
> says:
[snip]
> Chess a sport?! Only joking.

In the western world it is a joke, but not in Russia (and East Europe)
where chess masters are (were under communist rule, anyway) considered
*masters of sport*. It is a competitive game after all, albeit an
*intellectual* sport. The fact is one has to be physically fit (especially
in terms of the nervous system) to compete successfully (witness the Karpov-
Kasparov 6-month marathon match in Moscow 1984-5 when it was called off
(rightly or wrongly) because, apart from funding, etc, Karpov, although
ahead, was visibly cracking up!

> I`ve heard that during the 1954 world cup that the West Germanys may well
>have been (allegedly -ish -ish) using some sort of drug to enhance their
>performances because a fair majority of players of that era are now in the
>long-term care of hospitals becasue of problems with their nervous system.
>Also that the ezcuse for the 6-3 defeat in qualification was that the Germans
>had "rigged" the system of qualification in a way that they would have an
>easier game in the final stages, so they lost (8-3, I`m sorry!) on purpose.
>The semi-final has been nicked name "the Battle of .......(can`t remember of
>were - must have been the place they were playing; I think it was Berne)
>because of the amount of fouling in the game - Puskas Ferenc got injured here.
>Then in the final there was a goal (I think) scored by Puskas that was clearly
>over the line, but was disallowed by the ref. Puskas so have been taken off
>because he was playing like my grandmother.

Yes, I was too young to have seen it at the time, but the Magical Magyars,
2-0 up at half time, hit the post and bar several times in the second half
and had a perfectly good goal disallowed in the dying seconds, according to
the (neutral) accounts I've read and heard.

I saw all the Hungarian games in the 1966 World Cup and they had a pretty
good team then. Gellei (goalie) was a bit suspect, but Bene, Albert, Farkas,
Sipos, etc, were useful a useful team. Rakosi missed an open goal and Gellei
was concussed in a warm up accident in the match against Portugal (losing
1-3) but that wasn't the end of the world; only a terrific display by
Russia's Lev Yashin put them out in the quarter-final.

>        And I don`t think a Hungarian as one anything in the world figure
>skating championships for many many years.

Yes, really! I saw a Magyar couple win gold on TV a few years ago. Perhaps
someone can supply the names, date and place.

Regards,

George

George Szaszvari, DCPS Chess Club, 42 Alleyn Park, London SE21 7AA, UK
Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy * Cybernautic address: 
*********** Interested in s/h chess books? Ask for my list ***********

I am looking for the address/telephone number of Roger Conant
Presentations, who allegedly have a video series available on Hungarian
history. Can someone help?

Thanks,

L. J. Elteto
Portland State University

Samson & Delilah > wrote:

>My father's name was George Szilagyi.  His brother is John Szilagyi, and
>he is still alive, and living in New Jersey.

>My grandmother (George's mother) was Fannie Szilagyi.  I am trying to
>find other possible relations.  E-mail me at .

>Thanks....Alice Carr (formerly Alice Szilagyi, however I spelled it
>"Silagyi")

I knew a Linda Szilagyi when I was in high school in La Porte, Indiana
in the 1970s. No idea what happened to her.



Robert Glaub

"SIGNOFF HUNGARY"

--- MOMS 3.0

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Eva S. Balogh wrote:

> Nora wrote:
>
> >Generally, the prevailing attitude of Hungarian males in Hungary seems to
> >be that women are responsible for staying home with the husband
> >(and children, if any) and taking care of the "female" household chores.
>
> And preferably be quiet. Nothing annoys them more than an intelligent,
> educated, liberated, outspoken woman. Like wolves they jump on her and
> suddenly all that old-fashioned gentlemanly attitude disappear--only ugliness
> remains.
>
> Eva Balogh
>

I guess they just respond to ugliness with more ugliness...  Nothing
wrong with intelligent and educated women, but liberated and outspoken is
too often an excuse for bitchy.

Excuse the negative note on my first message of the new year.

jim.

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James D. Doepp
University of Miskolc (Hungary)
Department of Economic Theory


"...if pleasure and liking, pain and dislike, are formed in the
soul on right lines before the age of understanding is reached,
and when that age is attained, these feelings are in concord with
understanding, thanks to early discipline in appropriate habits -
this concord, regarded as a whole, is virtue.  But if you consider
one factor in it, the rightly disciplined state of pleasures and
pains whereby man, from his first beginnings on, will abhor what
he should abhor and relish what he should relish - if you isolate
this factor and call it education, you will be giving it its true name."

Plato, Laws II

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