Hi Hans Bellen,

>Can someone translate this hungarian text?
>
>Óriási  születésnapi  euli  hasbro  játékokkal és örülj az újboli találkozasna
k

It says that there is a huge birthday party with Hasbro games and be happy to
meet us (or me, or them?) again.  

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What the hell is this?

>Az nem tul meglepo, hogy nincs szigoru parlamenti/rendorsegi vizsgalat
>a Taxisblokadrol Peto Ivan uralkodasanak idejen. Az viszont meglepo,
>hogy meg a HIX, sot SCM is szigoru cenzuraval, illetve fel-szoveg
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>kozlesevel es mellebeszelessel probalja elterelni a figyelmet a
>Taxisblokad tenyeirol.

Edes Pellionisz Andras,
nem vagy te betegesen paranoias veletlenul?  Most mar a(z) s.c.m.-en is
szigoru cenzurat velsz felfedezni?  Az esz megall.

Az idezett "dokumentummal" kapcsolatban csak annyit, hogy mar a puszta
teny hogy te idezed, elegendo ennek hiteltelenitesehez.  De meg ha ettol
nagyvonaluan el is tekintunk: ki igazolja a leirtak igazsagat?

Udv,  ,
Nagy Peter

Hi Alexander,

In article >,  (Alex
ander N. Bossy) writes:
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian,soc.culture.magyar 
|> From: (Alexander N. Bossy) 
|> Subject: Re: Change of ethnic composition in Romania (1) 
|> Organization: The Pipeline 
|> X-PipeUser: alxander 
|> X-PipeHub: nyc.pipeline.com 
|> X-PipeGCOS: (Alexander N. Bossy) 
|> X-Newsreader: The Pipeline v3.3.0 
|> References: > 
|>  
|> On Jan 18, 1996 07:33:08 in article <Re: Change of ethnic composition in
|> Romania (1)>,  ()' wrote: 
|>  
|> >Alexander N. Bossy > wrote: 
|> >>  
|> >>Assimilation of minorities, by itself, is not a bad thing.  The question
|> is 
|> >>how much of the assimilation is voluntary, and how much is forced.  
|> >>Voluntary assmilation is good (after all, individual freedom is good).  
|> >>Forced assmilation is bad (after all, lack of individual freedom is bad).
....
|> >>Therefore, showing that one population group is growing quicker than 
|> >>another really doesn't advance the debate (even if we accept your
|> unstated 
|> >>(and unproved) premisse that Hungarians and Romanians, on average, have 
|> >>exactly the same number of children, at exactly the same age).  
....

|> Obviously, some Romanians did voluntarily assimilate under Hungarian rule. 
|> (I think that we all know at least one Magyarized family of Romanian
|> origins which became more than a little prominent in the Middle Ages. ;-)) 
|> But, they aren't the real issue.  It is the vast population that was forced
|> to go to Hungarian langauge schools, the people who were forced to give
|> their children Magyar names, anti-Romanian discrimination etc. etc. mostly
|> after 1867.  And, our arguments are based on laws passed by Hungary as well
|> as the observations and recolections of outsiders, as well as Hungarians
|> and Romanians of the period. 
|>  
|> None of this is to say that there is no anti-Hungarian discrimination in
|> Transylvania today.  But, an argument that it exists must be based on
|> actual casses of discrimination, forcible assimilation, etc., etc, and not
|> by merely showing that one part of the population is growing at a faster
|> rate than another part of the population. 

However, it is another piece of evidence which adds to the whole picture that
shows that something stinks around the treatment of Hungarians in Transylvania.
As for the evidence, I have posted several examples from my personal ones about
discrimination, forced name usage, restricted (that is forced) language of
education (this latter under conditions when denominational schools were not
available, as they were for Romanians in the 18th century for instance). So, I
think that while the population dynamics is not a proof by itself it is worth
considering...

....

|>  
|>  
|> Alexander

Matyas
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Cristian Tomescu ) wrote:
:      >T. Kocsis > wrote:
:      >
:      >>In article > , 
:      >>writes:
:      >>
:      >>Good looking, athletic, [..]
:      >>5'9 1/2", 150 lbs,
:      >           ^^^^^^^^
:      >rather a good-looking broomstick....;-) :-) ;-)
:      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
:      
:      watch it,  he may be able to sweep the floor with you ;-))
:      
:      -cristian
cristian: I am an athlete, you fat idiot.

Szeretnem megtudni, hogy van e valaki akinek van E-mail Kecskemeten?
Jo lenne talalni valakit, akin keresztul levelet lehetne kuldeni electronikusan
.
Termeszetesen, tudni szeretnenk azt, hogy mennyibe kerulne a level tovabbitasa
Kecskemetre?

Testverem a belvarosban el, es ha van valakinek E-mail-je, es szeretne egy kis
penzt csinalni, ez lenne egy jo lehetoseg. Ez a gondolat az orszag (Magyar) bar
melyik
varosaban egy nagyon jo uzleti lehetoseg lehetne.

Valaszokat egyenesen E-mail nekem;

Tisztelettel;

Joseph Placz

I would like to obtain the following --

ACTA ETHNOGRAPHICA
1983 (32:1/4), 1980 (29:1/2), 1975 (24:3/4).

ETHNOGRAPHIA
1989 (100:1/4), 1987 (98:2/4), 1984 (95:2), 1982 (93:3), 1982 (93:1),
1981 (92:2/3), 1980 (91:3/4), 1979 (90:3), 1979 (90:1), 1976 (87:4),
1976 (87:1/2), 1973 (84:1/2), 1972 (83:4), 1972 (83:2/3), 1971 (82:1).

FOLKLORISMUS-BULLETIN
1980 October 2

NEPRAJZI KOZLEMENYEK
vol. 5  no 1

MUVELTSEG ES HAGYOMANY
1985 (22), 1992 (25/6).

Reply to -- 

Mark Doering

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:

>Aha, tehát abban az írásban én 'zsidóztam, cigányoztam, araboztam, magya-
>roztam es minden másoztam' . Ha így haladunk, legközelebb már le leszek 
>kommunistázva...  :) :)

Gusztustalan, bar nem kimondott ciganyozas tortent.

>Én nem vagyok esendő (ateista vagyok) és kurva jól érzem magam. Kell is

Szomagyarazat: Az esendo nem az ateista ellentete, sot semmi kapcsolata nincs 
a hittel.

>Kérdem én ékes magyarsággal: hogyan jön most ez ide ???    :-) :)

Hol az az ekes magyarsag? De mindegy is.

>Egy emigráns sem volt ott, bazmeg. 

A, megvan!

----------

Szoval en most egy idore befejezem. Segit ebben, hogy elmegyek egy hetre.
Eddig sem szerettem volna azt a latszatot kelteni mintha K.T. -vel 
diskuralnek. Azert orulok, hogy sikerult minden izlesbeli normat alulmulatnom 
vele, ekkeppen bizonyitvan onnon "nagysagat".

Udvozlettel, SzP :)

Cristian Tomescu ) wrote:
:      >T. Kocsis > wrote:
:      >
:      >>In article > , 
:      >>writes:
:      >>
:      >>Good looking, athletic, [..]
:      >>5'9 1/2", 150 lbs,
:      >           ^^^^^^^^
:      >rather a good-looking broomstick....;-) :-) ;-)
:      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
:      
:      watch it,  he may be able to sweep the floor with you ;-))

:      I, unlike you Cristian, am an athlete and a competitive swimmer. I 
could swim circles around you, fats, and I could beat you at any other 
sport too. Your Friend,-bOb :      -cristian

T. Kocsis ) wrote:
: In article > , 
: writes:
: >Good looking, athletic, [..]
: >5'9 1/2", 150 lbs,
:            ^^^^^^^^

: rather a good-looking broomstick....;-) :-) ;-)

: Tamas
I could swim circles around you. I am a toned very athletic looking 
athlete, not a fucking loser/slob like you. Idiot.

Vano Chachanidze > wrote:

>In Georgian 33 is OTSDATSAMETI

In German ..........drei und dreissig

Edes Nagy Peter,

vajh miert allsz meg feluton mindig, raadasul ugy hogy meg a
vak is latja milyen felnotas modszereiddel probalsz operalni?

Erdekes, hogy az SZDSZ-szervezett, Peto altal iranyitott Taxisblokad
Szatmari Jeno altal leleplezett szoveget epp ott hagytad abba citalni,
ahol Peto leleplezese kovetkezett volna.

Most meg, ugyanugy, eppen csak azt az elso felet olvasod el mondatomnak
melyet felre akarsz ertelmezni. Ugyanis en azt irom, hogy a HIX es
SCM "szigoru cenzuraval", ILLETVE FEL-SZOVEG KOZLESEVEL ES MELLEBESZE-
LESSEL PROBALJA ELTERELNI A FIGYELMET.. Vagyis a HIX-ben cenzura a
modszer (TENY), SCM-ben pedig te most mar masodszor gyakorlod a
felnotas modszeredet (TENY). Egyebirant a SCM cenzurazhatatlansagara
eppen en hivtam el a mar HIX-et is karosito cenzuratol undorodo'k
figyelmet.

>Az nem tul meglepo, hogy nincs szigoru parlamenti/rendorsegi vizsgalat
>a Taxisblokadrol Peto Ivan uralkodasanak idejen. Az viszont meglepo,
>hogy meg a HIX, sot SCM is szigoru cenzuraval, illetve fel-szoveg
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>kozlesevel es mellebeszelessel probalja elterelni a figyelmet a
>Taxisblokad tenyeirol.

Az is erdekes, hogy Szatmari leleplezeset azert nem akarod elhinni,
mert en idezem, ugyanakkor osszevesztesz valaki massal. Vajon miert
nem "vitatkozol" a leleplezes KORONATANUJAVAL, Szatmari Jeno Istvannal,
aki Budapesten (meg) elo szemely, s szovegenek nem Internet-idezese,
hanem SAJAT M.O.-I KIADASU NYOMTATOTT KONYVE az alap-referencia.

Gondolom azert szeretned a figyelmet Szucsre es/vagy Pelionniszra,
a Romai Pa'pa'ra/Luciferre es/vagy Hollosi Sockalcsorre (barkire)
elterelni, hogy Szatmarirol, illetve a PETO ALTAL IRANYITOTT TAXIS-
BLOKADROl ne kelljen szot valtani. Tenyleg, szerinted ha SZATMARI
JENO ISTVAN koronatanukent allitja hogy buncselekmenynek volt tanuja,
nem lenne indokolt VIZSGALATOT INDITANI??? Vajon nem nyilvanvalo, hogy
amikor ugyanaz a Szatmari, akinek preciz jelenteseit (sok-sok mas
kozott) a Parlament Elnoke rendelte meg es penzt fizetett profi
informacioiert, KORONATANUKENT irasban es nyilvanosan jelentkezik,
most hirtelen a hallgatas betonfalaba utkozik, ez azert van mert tilos a
kerdeshez hozzanyulni, hiszen tul sokan tudjak az igazsagot ahhoz
hogyha egyszer kinyitjak a "Pandorra szelencet" az igazsag vissza-
tarthato legyen?? Nixon es Oleksy eseteben KORONATANU NEM VOLT,
megis el kellett tunniok a politikabol -- Peto vajon miert nem mer
birosag elott szembesulni azzal a Szatmarival, aki ot buncselekmenynek
minosulo tettel vadolja, helyszini megfigyelesre alapozva, sok-sok
ezer peldanyban irasban megjelent leleplezo-dokumentumaban?? Vajon
miert nem perli Peto SZATMARIT MINT KORONATANUT ha nem igaz amit
SZATMARI ir!?

Kivancsi vagyok, SZATMARI ES PETO ugyeben van-e barmi mondanivalod,
vagy inkabb masrol, illetve masokrol igyekszel mellebeszelni!

Udv,
Szucs Andras

 (Matyas ) writes:

>In article >,  (Ale
xander N. Bossy) writes:
>|>  
>|> None of this is to say that there is no anti-Hungarian discrimination in
>|> Transylvania today.  But, an argument that it exists must be based on
>|> actual casses of discrimination, forcible assimilation, etc., etc, and not
>|> by merely showing that one part of the population is growing at a faster
>|> rate than another part of the population. 
>
>However, it is another piece of evidence which adds to the whole picture that
>shows that something stinks around the treatment of Hungarians in Transylvania
.
>As for the evidence, I have posted several examples from my personal ones abou
t
>discrimination, forced name usage, restricted (that is forced) language of
>education (this latter under conditions when denominational schools were not
>available, as they were for Romanians in the 18th century for instance). So, I
>think that while the population dynamics is not a proof by itself it is worth
>considering...

A few months ago, Alexander posted a quote from a certain MacCartney (sp?)
who talked about the ethnic composition in Transylvania at the beginning
of this century.  The Hungarians represented 25% of the population
according to that author and nobody contested that number.  Today, the
Hungarian percentage in Transylvania is roughly the same.  What does this
prove?

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Dear Tamas,

 :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))

 O.K A bemelegitesen tulvagyunk. (egy apro megjegyzes,
 amikor Szalasi Magyarorszagon hatalomra kerult, akkor
 a deportalasoknak mar vege volt. Szamos magyar szemelyiseg
 Nagybaconitol Slachtaig, Bajcsytol Mindszentiig kiallt
 a zsidok mellett, egyes esetekben eletuk kockaztatasaval,
 de azert ez Horthy Miklost nem menti fel a szememben. Ez
 szemelyes ugy, es nem kivanok rola vitatkozni. Ha erdekel,
 nem iteltem volna el Horthyt, de azt hiszem Bardossyt sem
 iteltem volna el. Fuggetlenul ettol, meg holtukban is utalom
 oket)

  Minden eddigi velemenyed (FORUM,scm) torolve. Clean slate.
 
 Kerlek, PONTOSAN ird meg (rendben, inkabb csak elso kozelitesre,
 nem akarlak tobbszaz soros szovegekre kenyszeriteni,
 nekem sincs idom) mit gondolsz errol az egesz  "nemzeti" dychotomiarol.
 EG

Tegnap jottem meg egyhetes budapesti utrol vissza az USA-ba. Az OTP-ben
magyar utlevellel kb 1400 $ nak megfelelo forintot valthattam volna be (de
nem volt). Ezt a tranzakciot akar naponta is meg lehet ismetelni, mivel a
devizalap megszunt.

Idur

Joe Szalai ) wrote:
: > The word "szeder" means some kind of berry, I think
: >blackberry,

: This wont help in your name search but "szeder" means mulberry.

: Joe Szalai

	Actually,Joe, both.There are "fekete szeder" and "feher szeder" 
	( "black mulberry" and "white mulberry") which are growing on
	trees.But also the blackberry bush's fruit is also called 
	"szeder", at least in "Dunantul" ( Transdanubia? ).This can be
	checked in supermarkets where a picture on the blackberry jam
	jars clearly depicts a blackberry and not mulberry.Plus see any
	dictionaries. Thanks
					Csaba Harangozo
					

On 28 Jan 1996 with Subject: Re: Silicongate :
Tibor G. Balogh,  wrote:

> That was one awsome flame done professionaly! I have enjoyed reading
> it, there is something to be said for higher education.

If you read my previous note, you can see easily what are the limits
of the "professionality" of the praised Gabor Fencsik,  .

His professionality---at least in this subject---is very similar to the 
professionality of the present Hungarian(?) governement. He is an expert
in giving false, or useless information in order to maintain his vicious 
circle of misbeliefs and to feel superior to others. 

I do not want to explain to a liberal how dangerous can it be. This 
type of arrogance and tactics reminds me to Funar, Khomeini, Bela Kun,
Szalasi  and other enemies of the mankind. Naturally, it is only a 
"baby version". 

So, dear Tibor G. Balogh, I ask you not listen to false prophets.

I hope, you enjoyed my notes too.

Best regards,

Tibor Odor

In article > Case,
 writes:
>I could swim circles around you. I am a toned very athletic looking 
>athlete, not a fucking loser/slob like you. Idiot.

Dear Mr. Onan,

I am terrible sorry that I disturbed the mating call of such a
toned, athletic looking athlete. Now, your advertisement with
this swimming-around offer must top anything and will sure
make those girls in Hungary, Estonia and Izrael dizzy.

sincerely,
an other fuckin' idiot

In article >,  ()
wrote:

> T. Michael Lutas > wrote:

> >None of us liked any of the other empires either!! However, the French and
> >English empires, odious as they were, were not oppressing *US*. The
> >Hungarians  were. I think that this more than adequately explains the
> >emphasis on Romanian dislike for Hungarian empire building instead of, 
> >let's say, British empire building. 

> How were the Hungarians building their empire?  The Carpathians were
> pretty much the borders for over a 1,000 years.  Whatever was outside
> of them, was usually either a temporary vassal territory, or gained
> through royal succession.  How does that compare with the world-wide
> colonization of England and France, or even Russia's expansion?

So if you subjugate a people for a long enough period of time then it's
no longer empire building.

> >Joe, can you say 'odious Hungarian empire building'?
> >I can say 'odious French empire building'.

> Sure I can, but for what purpose?  To prove your false premise?

The purpose is a bit of moral consistency which you unfortunately
failed to rise to.

> >Does this satisfy your requirement for being consistent in moral judgements
> >of empires?

> Hardly.  It only proves to my satisfaction your confused state of mind.

I see, you complain when we don't speak of the evils of French, British,
or German colonial empires and when a Romanian comes out with a statement
that these empires were also wrong, you call the response evidence of a
confused state of mind.

Thinking a bit about it, I might even agree. I was confused that what you
really wanted was moral consistency, an attention to justice, a condemnation
of colonialism without focusing solely on parochial interests. I thought
you just might be an intellectually honest character.

After your response, all I can say was boy was I confused!! Thanks for
straightening me out. B->

> >At the end of WWI Alsace/Lorraine went to the French because they won
> >that war. 
> >Since we should be judging by the moral standards of the times, Romanian
> >occupation of equivalent borderlands was morally acceptable. By your own
> >rules of taking the morals of the times, what's your complaint?

> You are confused again.  I have never stated that it was moral to take
> land in war.  Only that it was done that way from time immemorial. Vae

I do recall you saying something of the sort on several occasions but
I haven't a hard drive large enough to keep a dossier on your various
positions and their drift over time. Anyway, by your current logic, 
Romanians are no worse than the preceding Hungarians though both are
equally morally bankrupt. So get the beam out of your own eye before
you try to take the mote out of your neighbor's eye.

> victis, right?   The only difference between this century and previous
> ones is that now the land grabbers feel compelled to rationalize their
> act with something more than just saying "hey, we won, so it's ours."
> So in the post-WW I treaties the victors invented the
> "self-determination" concept, while they did not bother to
> poll the people actually involved most.  Another justification was the
> exaggeration of mistreatment of minorities by the ruling nations.

So my personal family history is just a figment of a Paris peace broker's
imagination? <sarcasm on> I'm soooo glad to hear that. <sarcasm off>

> But this was all just window dressing to cover up a land grab.
> So if I have any complaint, it is against the phoney charade justifying
> such vindictive acts by the victors.

Oh, so Romania should keep Transylvania then. I'm glad you cleared that up.
Any further lessons on ettiquette of conquering and conquered people can
go on their merry way without me.

DB

Kedves Tippelok!

Halas lennek ha valaki tudatna velem a cimet, telefon ill.fax szamat
a Magyarorszagon mukodo angol nyelven tanito iskolaknak pl. a Magyar-
Angol Iskola a Kamaraerdoben etc. Elore kosz.
Gabor Mihaly

Tamas and Cristian flamed my earlier post....
Tamas and Cristian referred to me as a broomstick. I am 32, 5'91/2", 150+ 
lbs, and a competitive swimmer, not fat, stupid and a total loser like they are
.
I would like to meet a girl for long term. I am educated, bilingual and 
from Canada, which, unlike their countries is rated # 1 by the UN for 
TOLERANCE and for being the BEST country in the world to live in. I would 
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Gabor Fencsik Wrote:

> For those interested in posting to Usenet via Internet e-mail, a place to
> look for a reasonably complete list of email-to-Usenet gateway sites is
> <http://students.cs.byu.edu/~don/mail2news.html>;.   Using these sites
> is simplicity itself.  For example, if "Andras Szucs" is in the mood 
> to post one of his rants to alt.clueless, he can send his opus to 
> >.  Piece of cake.  No need to reinvent
> the wheel.

I tried it 20 times. In all the cases I got the error message:


404 Not Found

The requested URL /~don/mail2news.html was not found on this server.


I tried it in Germany (Netscape), in Hungary, both in Budapest and 
Szeged and in New York (lynx). Everywhere, where I have an account.

And I always used "Reload". (I write it, because I do not want to see
any messages from our "genius in computer science"---and logic. See below.)

Maybe, it does not work only from my sites, or it is down in this very 
hour of this very day, but my guess that it does not work. Maybe, it 
does work only for those, who are PC. 

But Pellionisz's  did work. So,
although I agree that no need to reinvent the wheel, but do you think,
that we should not produce wheels, because it have been already invented?

> [..] By definition, everyone
> reading the ad already has access to this newsgroup.

Gabor Fencsik is a "professor" in logic. But his pre-assumptions are
bad---not the firs time. Maybe, there are people, who have access, but 
their access is very bad. Sometimes it is impossible. 

An other problem with his logic, that he beleives that if somebody
is not an extremist liberal, then he or she is facist, and want to
send millions to gas chambers.

> The one amusing thing about the good Doctor's belated discovery is the 
> name of his gateway.  You might think the name "..." 
> might be a bit of an overkill for such a pedestrian enterprise, but you 
> would be wrong.  He could just as easily have called it something like
> >, 
> but that would have been pretentious.

Using his technique of argumentation with the opposite sign we get that
Gabor Fencsik should ask J. Hollosi to establish an alternative gateway 
with the name:

it.hix.edu>.

But this is an interesting example! It shows how we can get useful ideas
using poorly established methods! 

Just an other doctor (not in logic, but math),

Tibor Odor