In article >,  (Adrian Boldan) 
says:

>: > Yes, The Messiah has risen, wether some "good" people agree with it or
>: > not. They are so affraid to read the prophets that they ( the "good"
>
>If yoshka was/is Messiah, why all the wars and the destruction in the last
>2000 years? 

Because people often USE religion to justify their monstrous behaviour. 

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In article >, 
os.com (T. M. Lutas) says:
>
>When was the last time that the different ethnicities of Belgium were set 
>against each other in war. When was the last time that irredentism made
>for territorial shifts? In Romania this last time was WW II. There are 
>plenty of people left around from that generation. Is it surprising that
>irredentism among hungarians bothers Romanians more than the Fleming/
>Walloon controversy does the Belgians? 

Irredentism is a world-wide phenomenon, but is always less of a problem
when such ethnic groups that suddenly find themselves under a *foreign* 
political/national authority have a relatively satisfactory economic status 
and full civil rights. I haven't heard much complaining from the Hungarians 
of Burgenland who were annexed into Austria after WWII. The Hungarians of
Vojvodina enjoyed autonomy in Yugoslavia (until Milosevic revoked it, but 
I understand that it might well be restored shortly?) Perhaps the most 
topical case of irredentism is from the disenfranchised Palestinians in 
(and outside) so-called Israel..what an unholy mess!! ...but I leave that 
issue to others for the time being.

[snip]
>> Getting back to the main thread, I would applaud a Romanian government 
>> that invested in cultivating such diversity that would lead to an Open
>> Society in Romania. It even used to do so up to a point (Brasov Germans,
>> etc) but these days there seems to a popular trend in Romania to go in 
>> exactly the opposite direction (as is happening in Slovakia.) I can 
>> appreciate that a colourful rivalry with bordering ethnic groups and 
>> various historical empires have made many Romanians wary of so-called non-
>> Romanian Romanians (if you know what I mean). but the first lesson of 
>> history is: look back, but don't stare! I would also like to see the 
>> Hungarian government doing something similar...
>
>Fair enough. Let's end this thread on the agreement that both sides should
>practice tolerance. Romanians should forget about the Tisza and Hungarians
>should forget about reclaiming Transylvania. Tolerance and diversity would
>be a great benefit to both countries. 

Personally, I'd like to see national boundaries disappear altogether, 
so that we can all forget about irredentism and blaming Hungarians or
Romanians, or anyone else, but I fear that humanoids are insufficiently 
evolved for such a step...

George

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I am researching a screenplay and am desperately looking for information 
on the life of St. Stephen, the first king of Hungary.  I am especially 
interested in myths and stories surrounding this man.  How did he become 
king?  Why was he made a saint?  How did he die?  Is the Holy Dexter 
really his right hand- how did he lose it?

Please respond  or post here.

name available upon request said
> Reading your last posting on scm, I got on opinion that you guys
> have discussion on the wrong topic. I do not think that the
> relevant question is whether the Hungarians want to take back
> Transylvania or Romanians want to get the land up to the Tisza
> river. It is not relevant because these countries are not capable
> of doing so and have no intension to do so (see basic treaty in 
> preparation). Nor the majority of people in Hungary want to take it
> back. You guys seriously misunderstand the situation in Hungary
> if think that all Hungarians are bloodthirsty irredentists.

The more I hear this from Hungarians, the better I feel. I take a swipe
at my own community's nationalists when I feel that they have gone too
far but I have rarely seen Hungarians do the same. The more Romanians
moderate Romanians while Hungarians moderate Hungarians the better off
both our communities will be. By these actions we can assure each other
that we care about the other community and we want to resolve our problems
responsibly. It is when we let our own crazies off their leashes that we
set the stage for increased ethnic tensions and possibly disasterous 
consequences.

> So what is more relevant to a normal discussion? Well, I asked an
> authentic source on this. There is a Transylvanian Hungarian here
> on campus. This is what he said. (Not actual sentences but content
> 'quoted'.)
> 'When I was born my father give me the name Ja'nos. The citihall
> clark said nothing but wrote on my birth certificate Ioan. When
> my father tried to protest he was kicked out. I did not have the
> right from birth to be called officially on my name. I never can
> forget and forgive this, even if I know that Ioan is a nice name
> for a Romanian but I am Ja'nos. And the most sad thing in Tran-
> sylvania, that they cannot accept as Hungarians. We would be fine
> if become good Romanians but if you want to stay what you were
> born they let you know that you do not belong here. Even if you're
> born in this land. It was the Germans and Jews before. They let
> us know that it is our turn now.' Something like this.

I am sincerly sorry to hear that this has happened. I believe that
the proper result in such a case is the dismissal of the Romanian
official. There is no excuse just to flip the coin and go from 
Magyarization to Romanization. Please relay my response to your
friend and let him know that there are people on this side of the
ethnic fence that are outraged by such things no matter which way
it happens. 

As for the Germans and the Jews you are opening a very long and 
complicated discussion here. There are reams of posts on these subjects.
Before I make any substantive comments I would like to get a bit
more detailed information on what you actually believe happened
to Romanian Germans and Jews. I would caution you to take care
on this subject as I have seen Hungarians make extremely uninformed
comments on these issues and stir up much more heat than light.
Feel free to let this one slide by.

> You can dispute what I say but I think Ja'nos has a valid point.
> Remember the basic treaty. The point of discussion is not the 
> borders. The disagreement is in the minority issues. It seems to me
> (I might be wrong) that Romania wants to systematically get rid of her
> minorities to fulfill her dream of pure nation state. If you were
> a minority would you give up your identity? No since as you said you
> pay a lot of attention to Romanian in the US. Why do you think other
> people are different?

I don't think that other people are different. I am just saying that the
choice always means that you will have benefits and costs that go along.
The costs aren't always the result of oppression by the majority. Often
they are simply natural consequences of the choice made. People should be
aware of this and look carefully before jumping to the conclusion that it
is discrimination.

It is my opinion that hungarians should neither have fewer rights than 
romanians nor should they have more rights. This should be true on both
sides of the border. One of the reasons that the neo-communists need to
get kicked out of power is that it will also take the extremist parties
out of the government.

The five issues that you raised for discussion I have cut from this e-mail
since it would simply become too long. I'll address them each separatly.

> Finishing my lengthy letter (sorry for that :) ) I thank you for
> putting stuff on your http page. SOme of it was very interesting.
> What are the real chances that CDR might come to power?

What it will all come down to IMHO is the anti-fraud program that
the CDR will put into place. The PDSR is incredibly unpopular due
to massive corruption, economic disaster, constant lies, and a 
tendency to fall back on tactics from the Ceausescu era when they
feel threatened. 

If the vote fraud can be held down I believe that the CDR can win
this election easily. 

> This is not a hate mail, please do not misunderstand :)

I tend to answer both the hate mail and the non-hate mail the same. Tough
and answering the issues raised. I realize that you really want to discuss
these issues that you raise and appreciate the time it took you to write
this.

DB

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In article >,  > wrote:
| Gyula Szokoly > wrote:
|
| 
| Obviously not including the Kader Jugend you've been associated with
| around the HIX "insiders".  With that background, I don't expect you to
| be even close to objective here.
|

But instead claim the objectivity for yourself.
 
| Your whole stand on this issue is not only revealing but absurd.
| Here we have a guy gleefully bragging about some private e-mail of
| somebody else that could only have gotten to him without the permission
| of the sender and the recipient, and when the original owners of that
| communication take exception to that, accusing Elek with being involved
| in a crime, your only problem is with some technicalities of the
| charges, and not a word of disapproval of Elek's action!
Great!


So he was accused of a crime... this
necessitats the use of legal terminology
Also, taking exception is not what Stolmar Ilona did..
taking exception wouldbe fine. 
| 
| >  You made fun of a system administrator using the term 'hacker' properly.
| >If you claim better knowledge of computers than a sysadmin, I guess
| >you are a 'good computer expert'.
| 
| I tell you what: try out your theory about the word "hacker" in one of
| the Linux news groups and see whose definition is shared there.
| And that's where the REAL programers hang out, you know.

I see. so you don't just have the authority to define real
hungarians, real democrats, real liberals, and what is
objective, but real programmers as well. I guess I am fake,
eveen though it was you who betrayed ignorance on the
subject when you suggested what one with a root account [any
root account[] can do.

| 
| Who was that system administrator you were talking about?  BTW, there
| are SysAdmins and there are SysAdmins.  I was talking about real ones,
| not the kind I had to dictate the commands to accomplish the task I had
| no privilege to do myself.  Yes, we have a few of those at my employer,
| even after the large lay-offs last year.  When I was talking about
| SysAdmins, I meant the kind of knowledge Hollosi and Fekete obviously
| have.
| 

So if either of them used hacked in the way 
that you claim they cannot be used rthta would be proper
authority to convince you that hacker is a termn with
multiple meanings including those who illegally hack into
the system [as in the hacker crackdown]


| > Why do we have to know about it? Is this so relevant to
| >the hungarian culture?
| 
| Why don't you ask Elek about it?  Who is Elek to you why you are
| protecting him so much?

Hehe... why who is Ilona to you  or Viktoria or Julia or
whatever fake identity s/he assumes this time. Of course that
is another hack that one can easily do from that university
computer.

A siliconvalley.com-rol jott feladok egyre sokasodnak: most mar van
egy Nagy Lajos is. Kovacs, Szucs, Toth, Kiss, es most egy Nagy. Az
istenert nem tud Pellionisz doktor ur egy kicsit fantaziadusabb lenni?

Balogh Eva

I am posting an e-mail exchange that I just had relevant to the 
hungarian/romanian question.

DB asked
>>I would like to post this e-mail to both SCM & SCR if I could. Is that OK?

> No problem on posting the e-mail you just sent me as is on scm/scr.
> If you elect to post name please post for me:
> 'name available upon request'.
> It is because I elected not to participate in scm/scr although I try
> to follow it up when I have time. The reason for this is that I do not
> have time to be regular on scm/scr. You might guess why is the time
> constraint very important.
> If someone chooses to be in a moderate position it is very important
> to maintain a strong character, otherwise the extremes (which is always
> an easier position) wipe him out. It is the style of scm/scr that one
> has to participate in the debates point on point. I cannot do that.
> However, I am usually available for more relaxed style of 
> communications.
>
> Regards,
> name available upon request

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name available upon request said
> Hi DB,
>
> I follow your discussion on scm about the minority issues
> (under  Re: Ungurii sint nedreptatiti? Another hungarian lie)
> I would like to make some comment on the topic. I am Hungarian
> from Hungary, just to set up the frame.
> Based on the past I give credit to you and your topic, it is
> a lot higher level then the traditional bimonthly flamewars 
> on scm/scr.
>
> Reading your last posting on scm, I got on opinion that you guys
> have discussion on the wrong topic. I do not think that the
> relevant question is whether the Hungarians want to take back
> Transylvania or Romanians want to get the land up to the Tisza
> river. It is not relevant because these countries are not capable
> of doing so and have no intension to do so (see basic treaty in 
> preparation). Nor the majority of people in Hungary want to take it
> back. You guys seriously misunderstand the situation in Hungary
> if think that all Hungarians are bloodthirsty irredentists.
>
> So what is more relevant to a normal discussion? Well, I asked an
> authentic source on this. There is a Transylvanian Hungarian here
> on campus. This is what he said. (Not actual sentences but content
> 'quoted'.)
> 'When I was born my father give me the name Ja'nos. The citihall
> clark said nothing but wrote on my birth certificate Ioan. When
> my father tried to protest he was kicked out. I did not have the
> right from birth to be called officially on my name. I never can
> forget and forgive this, even if I know that Ioan is a nice name
> for a Romanian but I am Ja'nos. And the most sad thing in Tran-
> sylvania, that they cannot accept as Hungarians. We would be fine
> if become good Romanians but if you want to stay what you were
> born they let you know that you do not belong here. Even if you're
> born in this land. It was the Germans and Jews before. They let
> us know that it is our turn now.' Something like this.
>
> You can dispute what I say but I think Ja'nos has a valid point.
> Remember the basic treaty. The point of discussion is not the 
> borders. The disagreement is in the minority issues. It seems to me
> (I might be wrong) that Romania wants to systematically get rid of her
> minorities to fulfill her dream of pure nation state. If you were
> a minority would you give up your identity? No since as you said you
> pay a lot of attention to Romanian in the US. Why do you think other
> people are different?
>
> Of course all this boils down to the 'lassez fair' question.
> Everyone has the right to own identity. The states would take advantage
> of it if they were smart rather than suppressing it.
>
> What are the questions which are more worthwhile to pursue than
> the meaningless border issue?
> 1. individual rights in a country
>    I know there is some debate on this issue but it is worthwhile
>    to discuss.
> 2. Communism, nationalism and democracy
>    I know you had a paragraph in your last posting but this might be
>    very important why the current states behave as they do.
> 3. National groups and common existence.
>    There is not much talk on how could these national groups make
>    peace with each other (in hearts) and what are the conditions of
>    that is it necessary..
> 4. National state in a global economy
> 5. Optimal state policies on minority issues to maximize wealth in
>    a country...
>
> It might be that the questions are a bit academic, but again it is
> time stop the border debates. Lets have debates on real issues.
> Finishing my lengthy letter (sorry for that :) ) I thank you for
> putting stuff on your http page. SOme of it was very interesting.
> What are the real chances that CDR might come to power?
> This is not a hate mail, please do not misunderstand :)
>
> Regards,

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Another example of Anna Smith's total lack of effort to even attempt any
wit and creativity, largely because it is a characteristic she does not
have; the "zzzzzzzzz" was my response to that slobbering octopus Goober.
Next time, think up your own.

Anna Smith wrote:
:> |zzzzzzzzzzz
:> 
:> On Sat, 13 Apr 1996, Wally Keeler wrote:
:> >                             (
:> >    (                                                     )
:> >              )               )
:> >     )                       (           )                         (
:> > The(smell of(Goober's post on)ce it is in the atmosphere:(
:> >   ((                        ((         (      (                    )
:> >    ))       )      (         ))         )                )        (
:> >   ((       (                (((        ((      )        (          ))
:> >   )))      ))       )       ))))    )   ))    (          )        ((
:> >  ((((     ((   )   (   )   (((((   (   ((         )     ((    )   )))
:> > In > on 11 Apr))1996  ((((
:> >  (Gabor Barsai) wrote: (((      )))))
:> > Mating call? I just asked if there were any chicks reading the ng, 


From: Enike >: Mon, 15 Apr 1996
Subject: Re: SCM: Anna Smith is Creatively Challenged
Message-ID: >
References: >

Anna Smith wrote:
:Don't worry about it. I've already forgotten about it and have set up my 
:killfile accordingly. 
 ^^^^^^^^
That should be Keelfile. Where's your wit girl?

:Just read my post to Wallace and maybe you and the others he gets joy in
:trying to irritate can get some ideas as to how to handle the brat.

Where were you when Goober Barfsai was coming on to me like an octopus. I
guess irritation is in the eye of the beholder.

:It's not your fault - don't feel you have to apologize.  

Oh my, how generous. Did Goober baby do the stereotypical chauvinist thing
and come to you via private email to salve your psychic wounds?

On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Gabor Barsai wrote:
> >On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Wally Keeler wrote:
> >> We don't see one iota of creativity coming from the dried up dumb cunt 
> >>that you are. You are obviously creatively-challenged.
> 
> Oh, well. Sorry I got ya into this.
> Gabor

Aha, the chauvinist octopus did do the salve bit, and with delusions of
adequacy.

Goober, you never got her into anything. Why in heavens name would you say
sorry for something you didn't do. You called for chicks. Simple as that.
Anna, of her own free will, responded. End of story with her -- or so it
seemed. Then you spent days being a slobbering octopus on me and I referred
you to Anna -- because she responded positively to your call, I didn't.
Anna goes ABM because I declare myself a self-respecting woman. What she
declares of herself is up to her and hardly of no interest to me. Anna goes
ABM into the funflamefest, which she knew to be a funflamefest. She did
everthing all by herself willingly. I think it's about time you shed the
stereotypical chauvinist baggage you carry around with you all day and cut
the pretentious crap of regarding women as victims and yourself as their
soothing protector from the BigBadBoys.

In article >, T. Kocsis > wrote
:

> In article > T. M.
> Lutas,  writes:
> >Buying huge quantities
> >of meat and other consumer goods while eating big time losses by 
> >keeping subsidies high right before an election is the neo-communist 
> >electoral formula. After the election, you spend three years pocketing
> >the funds and let the people be miserable before you again redirect 
> >the spigot to consumer goods and economic subsidies right before an 
> >election. I hope you agree with me that this use of foreign money is 
> >wrong.

> We are agree on this . However I think you miss another point
> which may be crucial in stabilizing the communist coalition.
> It is the mass privatization.

Here we definetly do not agree. If the communist coalition would
be stabilized by mass privatization then they would certainly jump
at the chance to do it. Instead Romania has dragged its feet on this.

> When one ownes nothing, become very sensitive to any demagogy.

You also become desensitized to thievery (communism). Why care about
the thief if you have nothing to steal?

> After few shares (whose prices have to be checked every day in the
> newpaper, the effect of political and  economical decisions on share
> prices has to be thougth over) everybody become a littlebit capitalist,
> which makes people more selfish, they will care less on 'national scale
> injustices' as far as their shares perform well on the stock market.
> Such people are unlikely to change government. They hate changes.

Such people will change government in a heartbeat if they find out that
their shares are doing poorly because of the government. You can't run
a dishonest government that steals as much as Iliescu & co do and have
a great economy. Share prices will lag and the government will fall 
because of those lagging prices.

Capitalism is all about change and more change. Capitalist countries
undergo more change in a year than communist countries often undergo in
10. Businesses are created and die every year in numbers that boggle the
mind. 100,000 new businesses get created every year in America. 50,000
businesses die every year in America. The economic change that those
births and deaths create leads to a much more dynamic society that is
willing and able to deal with change all around them much more easily 
no matter if that change is political, economic, or social.

DB

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From:  (Gabor Barsai): 15 Apr 1996 
Subject: Re: Re Comparative Suicide
Message-ID: >
References: >

Goober Barfsai declares:
>If you define creative as yourself, I'm only glad I'm not creative.

And you have demonstrated very well that you are largely uncreative.

>I don't find a wordscraper creative; stupid, yes, but not creative. 

Very interesting. You have a streak of philistinism in you I see. The
wordscraper that you think is stupid, others think quite creative. For
instance, I will use a Hungarian reference, and since this is publicly
posted, you are encouraged to check out the veracity of the tale. Several
times Faludy George had come (sockless) to visit Wally's flat while I was
there. In the month before Faludy decided to leave Toronto to return to
his homeland, Wally, decided to visit him with the intention of asking him
to lie face down on the ground with his arms fully outstretched and his
head lifted up. Wally would then lie down on the ground in front of him
to take several pictures. I was skeptical that Faludy would do such a
thing. Wally explained to me that he wanted these pictures of Faludy so
that he could trim him out of the frame -- voila, Faludy as a bomber
plane. Faludy would be collaged with other Attack Artcraft over top of the
City Dedicated to the Dictatorial Death of Democracy, and Wally would
collage poembombs dropping from his hands. Several selected "wordscrapers"
were collaged and overlayed, and this was the City Dedicated to the
Dictatorial Death of Democracy. I remained skeptical that Faludy would
oblige Wally. As soon as Wally described his intentions, Faludy, without
hesitation, obliged Wally in the photographic project.

Just to add further spice to the matter, when Wally & I were last in
Budapest, we went to visit Demszky Gabor at his mayoral office. After a
few minutes of gossip, Wally asked Demszky if he would lie face down on
the floor of the mayor's office for the purpose of taking a picture a la
Faludy. I was skeptical. Wally assured Demszky that the resultant image
would appear only in art. Demszky closed the office doors, and the next
thing I saw were both men lying face down on the floor.

I will give both men, especially Faludy, the benefit of recognizing, not
only creativity, but a genre of poetic/artistic expression of merit when
they see it, and that the merit of Wally's assembled wordscrapers was
worthy of their active participation. Indeed, a selection of Wally's work-
in-progress viz-a-viz wordscrapers and Demszky was published in Rampike, an
internationally recognized journal of post-modern literary arts. Magyar
Muhely, an astute journal of the literary arts published out of Paris has
also published his wordconstructs. Indeed, Wally's sheet of stamps,
designed in the context of the Peoples Republic of Poetry, had been
selected for exhibition (May29-Sep25/87) at Szepmuveszeti Muzeum's show of
Artpool's International Collection of Artists's Stamps as curated by
Galantai Gyorgy.

*

As I recall, Wally, begrudgingly I presume, acknowledged some wit and
creativity on your part after reading your "poem":

Wally wrote:
-Now we are getting somewhere. This has wit and humour. I tip my hat. 
-Although we are not talking first class here, this one was measurable on
-the Dichter-Scale. [Think Deutch: dicht]. Didn't make it into the red,
-but the needle moved significantly.
[later]
-If you continue the good satire as indicated in your post,

Unlike you, he will acknowledge attributes when they are clearly positive
and presented. If you demonstrated some wit, he acknowledged it, even in
the heat of a funflamefest. In this regard, he offers an opening of
generosity to his opponent -- something that you are unable to reciprocate.
Ah so be it.

Indeed, Wally even attributed some fine qualities about Anna Smith, and
put himself in perspective at the same time:

     Subject: Creativity For Anna Smith  Sat, 13 Apr 1996
     Message-ID: >
Anna Smith wrote:
     |Oh, and you shouldn't feel too sorry for me dear. Traveling the
     | world this summer... 

Wally wrote:
     Good for you. Go for it.  

Wally wrote:
     > ... on this your second posting. My my what a short wick we have
     > here.

Anna wrote:
     |Not my second posting but I guess counting isn't your strong suit...

Wally wrote:
     This is good. You turned up your Bic to full throttle. Unlike Goober,
     I can count on you for retaliatory wit. 

Wally wrote:
     However, I do not have the right stuff to be a medical doctor; it
     takes prolonged focus, intense and sustained concentration, and a
     large humane spirit -- I do not have those qualities, or if I do,
     they are stunted, wilted, atrophied, whatever. In any event, I 
     wouldn't dream of partitioning any of my creativity for any other
     quality.

     Here's a poem for you, my uncreative world traveller:

     "We could be a poem,"
     I said
     you didn't
     the hint of a verb in your eyes
     leaving me unrhymed
     in a heap of nouns
     When I wrote
     the opening line
     you said
     the last word.

Anna has demonstrated that she shares the same attitude as Goober. Wally
is quite open to attributing her with postive characteristics. He was
being honest. Although both of you are too spineless to make even a
grudging admission to it, Wally has demonstrated some of his creative
abilities, certainly a degree of creativity and wit higher than yours.
Although he has demonstrated some of them by (ab)using you as a foil, the
qualities of creativity are there -- your pride inhibits you from
admitting to it.

>You scolded Anna: "Remedial Reading, you need" - yet you post I dreamt of
>being a "sopranno". I wonder where you read that? Is that part of your
>creativity? 

Get real Goober. He never read it anywhere. We were all having a
funflamefest, you included. In any event, Goober, you did attempt some
creativity, and lo and behold, there was a brief appearance of it.

>One standard for you, one for the rest of the world? No wonder Canadians
>are so, so inferior to their great neighbor (or neighbour, for ya guys)
>to the south. (Although, I do like Toronto, the Needlepoint, Ontario
>Place, ROM, the Science Centre).

Yes, America the Superior, squanders its youth by the tens of thousands in
Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, etc. etc. Whereas the United Nations declared
Canada the best country in the world in which to live in terms of the
quality of life. Jeez, America wouldn't even have Superman if it weren't
for a Canadian inventing him. Toronto, the home of Marshall McLuhanatic! 

BTW, neighbor and neighbour, are both officially and culturally acceptable;
it has been taught that way for decades I have been told. Canadians can
have it both ways, eh! I guess your school trips to the ROM and Science
Centre were a waste on you.

God I can't believe I made a straight post.

Wally Keeler wrote:
:>So your statement above is not distinctive to Hungary. It is common in
:>virtually all societies.

 (Gabor Barsai) wrote:
:I don't think so. I find that Hungarians dwell on garbage like that for a
:longer time. 

We know already that you don't think -- stating the obvious, what an
accomplishment for you. 

:This is IMHO. Unlike you, I reserve the right to be wrong. It's a :heavenly
feeling.

Don't you ever tire of being with the angels?

:>|Look at Horthy or Antall, the last and first independent political
:>| leaders (let's not mention the communists who took everything
:>| personally, anybody who was against them was liquidated, and who
:>| weren't independent in political life).
:>
:>Petty bureaucraps exist in all societies.
:
:But these guys were the political leadership, not petty bureaucrats.

Leadershit or not, their mind set remained of the petty bureaucrap. In
democracies, such people with similar qualities were elected.

In article >,
Eva S. Balogh > wrote:
>A siliconvalley.com-rol jott feladok egyre sokasodnak: most mar van
>egy Nagy Lajos is. Kovacs, Szucs, Toth, Kiss, es most egy Nagy. Az
>istenert nem tud Pellionisz doktor ur egy kicsit fantaziadusabb lenni?

Meg mindig jobb mint ha Hazaffy vagy Magyarffy lenne. Talan Pannonffy?

Gabor

In article >,
Brigitta Bali > barfed:
>>If you define creative as yourself, I'm only glad I'm not creative.
>
>And you have demonstrated very well that you are largely uncreative.

According to your definition, I hope so.

>>I don't find a wordscraper creative; stupid, yes, but not creative.
>
>Very interesting. You have a streak of philistinism in you I see. The
>wordscraper that you think is stupid, others think quite creative. For

There you go. I think you've found the answer. Unless you have mind control, I
will continue to think as I like.

See below what happened to a poor fellow:

Subject: Mind Control: 47 Years

Dear Citizens:

     I am a victim of mind control.  I have been mind
controlled for my entire life of forty-seven (47) years.  I
will try to briefly summarize what I remember and why I am
writing this letter.

     I have been mind controlled with the typical methods of
behavior modification, hypnosis, drugs, electric shock,
torture, and lies.  I believe that most people who
understand the methods of the secret societies would call me
a slave.  I can recall the perpetrators using the above
methods on me when I was younger than three years old.  As
many know, the methods cause amnesia for the conditioning
and psychological dissociation of the reality that the
person is a slave.

     Over the years the above methods were frequently used
on me, at times daily.  Sometimes I would realize my
circumstance because some good people would awaken me and
explain what was being done to me.  When I would begin to
realize what was being done to me, the perpetrators would
find me and intensify their efforts.  They often used
torture, ether, memory blocking drugs, and electric shock to
my head to erase my memories.  This would cause me to forget
what the good citizens told me.

     Apparently, the above very strong methods of mind
control were not enough for the perpetrators.  I now
remember that when I was about twelve (12) years old in
1959, the evil people inserted a temporary radio receiver in
my ear.  I was told that I had a hearing problem and I had
to a wear hearing aid.  Apparently, some people around me
objected, and they stopped that tactic for a short time.
When I was about fifteen (15) years old in 1962, they had
miniaturized radio receivers sufficiently that they could
insert one in my ear canal without me realizing what they
had done.  Then they would use very low volume subliminal
messages to control me.  They would give me post-hypnotic
suggestions that I had ear infections and I must not clean
inside my ear canals or I would suffer permanent hearing
loss.  Occasionally, I would clean inside my ear canals and
find a metal device, that would be explained away by those
around me.  The realizations of devices in my ears were then
always erased with torture, drugs, and electricity.

     The mind control efforts were very intense.  I was
oblivious to many events around me, and certainly to the
reality I was being completely controlled.  I had thousands
of days and experiences simply erased from my memory by
their techniques.  Occasionally, with some people's help I
would briefly break free from their control.  This would
enrage them.  When I was about twenty (20) years old in
1967, they surgically implanted a miniature radio receiver
and transmitter behind my right ear canal and next to my ear
drum.  I was told I had hurt my ear playing football.  Over
the next twenty (20) years the receiver-transmitter was
replaced a couple of times and another one was implanted
behind the other ear.  I have several very fine scars above
and behind both ears.  Apparently, the perpetrators not only
would broadcast subliminal commands to me, but had the
ability to listen to my conversations, and to electronically
track and locate me.

     For some reason, in addition to the surgically
implanted radio receiver-transmitters, at times additional
miniature receivers were also inserted into my ear canals.
I can recall having one found in my ear by a California
State University, Northridge, health center medical doctor
in 1971.  I also found another one in my ear in about 1988.
Of course, they would immediately erase my memory of what I
had found.  I assume there have been other times that I have
not yet recalled.  Why would there be miniature receivers in
my ear canals in addition to the surgically implanted ones
behind my ear canals?  I can only guess.  Perhaps different
organizations were trying to control me.  Maybe people were
monitoring the frequency of the implants, so the
perpetrators would send extra sensitive commands with the
new devices.  I really don't know.  I do know that any
realization of what they had done to me was quickly erased
from my memory.  I lived for about forty-two (42) years not
realizing that I am a victim and they have turned me into a
human robot.

     There have many other devices.  I can recall having an
electrode inserted into my frontal brain through my nostril
when I was about thirty-three (33) years old in 1980.  I
experienced intense pain, confusion, and disequilibrium.  I
was told I had a sinus infection.  I explored the source of
my pain and found a small bulb stuck to the roof of my nasal
cavity.  The doctors I contacted said it was an infection
and not to touch it.  I persisted and removed it myself with
tweezers.  It looked like a two-pronged electrode, with two
sharp wires stuck up into my brain with the bulb hanging
down.  I took it to the Federal Bureau of Investigation
(F.B.I.).  They told me it was a transistor that had
probably fallen out of an automobile.  Then my memory of the
event was erased for several years until recently.  There
are several other such incidents for which I have only very
vague memories.

     When I lived in Westlake Village, California, and I was
forty-two (42) years old in 1989, I began to realized that
something was very wrong.  I had massive memory loss and
some memories I could not explain.  I gradually began to
realize I was the victim of mind control.  I began to recall
thousands of conditioning sessions and abuses.  I had not
yet realized I was also the victim of surgical
implantations.  When I sought help from "friends," family,
and medical professionals, they all said I must be psychotic
that none of it had happened.  They said there are no secret
organizations and there is no such thing as mind control,
that it is all a delusion.  I quickly learned that no one
would talk about the abuses.  I was threatened that if I
talked about it I would be committed to a mental institution
for a very long time, or murdered.  Of course, the threats
are always indirect so they can be denied.  My efforts at
securing assistance from the F.B.I., police, lawyers, and
medical professionals was responded to with a complete
denial that such things happen.

     In 1989 I often observed near my residence several
company trucks with the acronym "MWS" on their license
plates.  I investigated and went to a MWS company, a
precious metals distributor, and asked a man in the shipping
area if he knew anything about the vehicles.  He said they
were probably driven by a Mr. Richter.  He said that he was
agent Tom Smith, and the people at MWS worked for "William
Sessions," that I would have to talk to him.  He gave me a
phone number and I called it and there was no answer.  I do
not know if the man was telling me the truth, or if it is
the same "William Sessions," who was the director of the
F.B.I.

     In 1989 I went to the F.B.I. office in Los Angeles
twice.  The second time a F.B.I. agent in the office, Mr.
Au, said he was in charge of the organized crime
surveillance unit for southern California.  He said he knew
nothing about my situation or about any undercover operation
in Westlake Village, and he denied the F.B.I.'s connection
to the man at MWS.  I began telling him about some of the
mind control and electronic abuses against me that I was
aware of then.  At that time I did not know I had surgical
implants.  I told him about a house near my residence that
had increased its electrical capabilities with some
underground construction.  I believe they made the
construction additions to handle laser beams they had
emitted in the neighborhood, including several directed at
my house in about 1984.  I told him I thought there was even
an article in the newspaper about a "hobbyist" that was
using lasers about one block from where I lived.  He
informed me that was classified information, and that he
could file charges against me for revealing classified
information.  I ask him how I could reveal anything
classified if apparently no one from the government had
contacted me.  He said that was correct, the Central
Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.), National Security Agency
(N.S.A.), or another agency of the United States Government
would have had me sign an official contract if they had any
contact with me.  Then he said I could not be in possession
of classified information.

     I told him I was a licensed counselor and
psychotherapist.  I informed him that I had an extremely
high percentage of patients from the high technology defense
industry, and I have records of their employment (Rockwell
International, Lockheed Corporation, Rand Corporation,
Litton Data Command, Motorola, Rocketdyne, Honeywell
Computers, Rockwell Science Center, Lockheed CADAM,
Infomatics Corporation, Grumman Corporation, Whittaker
Corporation, Hughes Aircraft, Teradyne Corporation, U.S.
Navy, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Army, Digital Equipment
Corporation, Language Technology Inc., Image Sciences,
Tandem Computers, Telos Corporation, Jet Propulsion Lab
(JPL), Boeing Aircraft, Electrical Engineering Software
(EESOF), Compucorp, Wangtek, Data Products, GTE, Radian
Corporation, ATE Associates, RCA, Exxon, IBM, Northrop
Corporation, and NASA).  He said it is probably just a
coincidence.

     I informed him of the countless others who represented
themselves as being from large corporations (Chevron, CBS,
NBC, ABC, CNN, Paramount Pictures, Universal Pictures,
Lucasfilms, Disney Corporation, Aaron Spelling, Stephen
Bochco, WalMart, and others) and government agencies, then
my memory would be erased shortly after our meetings.  I
told him that I had at least three medical doctors, at least
three psychologists, a variety of software engineers, and
several electrical, chemical, and aerospace engineers as
patients.  I told him that the people using mind control on
me did not have me sign a contract, and they, as well as
those using the lasers are probably criminals.  He again
cautioned me that the information is classified, he would
investigate me if I persisted in revealing my information.
I was confused because previously he said I could not be in
possession of classified information.

     I told him I had some memory of at least one man who
claimed to be with the C.I.A., who had used mind control on
me to erase my memory of our meetings.  The F.B.I. agent
said he seemed to remember a C.I.A. operative that was in
the area that turned "bad" about ten (10) years earlier,
maybe it was him.  He then proceeded to tell me that it
sounds like some organization "had their hooks in me," and
that if I talked about it publicly they would probably "rip
my guts out."  I told him the names of a couple of F.B.I.
agents I now recall who tried to help me.  He said they were
no longer with the Bureau or available.  He did not want to
investigate and he offered no solutions.

     I anguished with the reality that for over forty-two
(42) years I had been a victim of mind control, torture, and
slavery.  Since I had not yet realized that I had surgical
implants I tried to continue on with my life.  However, in
June 1991 when I was forty-four (44) years old, they
informed me through the speakers that I presently have
implanted in my skull, that the speakers are there.  They
just simply increased the volume so I could hear them
consciously.  They also informed me that I have an
electroencephalograph (EEG) transmitter implanted in my
brain, and that they use bio-medical telemetry and computers
to read the EEG.  They indicated that the EEG transmitter
was implanted approximately ten (10) years earlier, in about
1981 when I was thirty-four (34) years old.  I believe it
was implanted even earlier, perhaps in 1970, when I was
twenty-three (23) years old.

     I was a student-employee and an administrative aide at
the Department of Defense Contracts Administration Services
in Van Nuys, California, in the summer of 1970.  I was taken
to several defense contractors' locations (Rockwell, Litton,
and Lockheed), and shortly after my memory would be erased.
On one occasion I was taken to the Lockheed Corporation in
Burbank, California.  I was asked to "test" a new pilot
simulation chair including the oxygen mask.  I was then
administered a general anesthetic and some type of cranial
operation was performed, and then my memory of the events
was erased until recently.  A couple of years later in about
1972, when I was twenty-five (25) years old, I was directed
to "hypnotherapy" by Eric Marcus, M.D., at the Gestalt
Therapy Institute in Santa Monica, California.  My memories
for those sessions were also erased.  I just recently
recalled the sessions when I saw his name listed in
Operation Mind Control (Walter Bowart, 1978) as one of the
psychiatrists that evaluated Sirhan Sirhan, the alleged
assassin of Robert Kennedy.

     After the realization of my implants in June 1991, and
the perpetrators around the clock torture of me, I contacted
several medical doctors.  All of the doctors indicated that
I must have nerve damage or a psychiatric disorder, because
what I was describing doesn't happen.  In August 1991 I was
given a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI), it is similar to
X-rays, of my brain.  The technician happen to mention that
the images on the screen were not accurate.  When I pursued
a conversion, forgetting that I am constantly monitored, a
man entered the West Hills Regional Medical Center MRI
location and told me I had to leave.  Of course the doctor,
Jeff London, M.D., who ordered the MRI, said the results did
not show anything.

     I know, and the perpetrators know, that a legitimate
MRI or X-rays, radio frequency analysis, or surgery will
prove the existence of their diabolical system.  However, I
also know that they are experts at eliminating evidence, and
when they can't eliminate the evidence they simply manage
the public, media, and judicial system.  For example, in
December 1991 I was accosted by a psychiatrist, Dr. Goldin,
who was in the public mental health system.  After
physically pushing me several times in front of about ten
(10) witnesses, he explained to me that they were there to
witness my violent tendency.  I did nothing but walk away.
He said that he was going to record that I was the one doing
the accosting.  He said the truth doesn't matter, what he
says will be treated as the truth!  When I sought legal
representation from a San Luis Obispo County Public
Defender, David Sachs, he said he knew the allegations were
lies, but he was going to treat them as the truth and there
was nothing I could do about it!  When the perpetrators give
me more information about what they have done to me, and I
share it with others, they intensify their efforts at
creating an image of me as mentally ill instead of as their
victim.  I have been threatened that the perpetrators will
bring forth one of their cleverly constructed frames of me,
if I continue to reveal information.  I am sure some of you
are familiar with their usual efforts at hiding their
inhumane practices.

     I even tried to comply with their "code of silence,"
thinking that would bring relief.  In January 1992, while
they were torturing me with their incessant broadcast, I
decided to teach a community college psychology course on
stress.  I did everything to appear normal.  I believed
maybe I would receive some help if I did not seem to be a
witness against them.  I also thought the normal appearance
would counter their efforts to discredit me.  It took all my
effort to conduct the class, some how I completed the term.
I don't believe with any effort that I could presently
accomplish any task that requires sustained concentration.

     My background is in psychology, and I have a master's
degree.  I was a Ph.D. candidate in counseling at the
University of California, Los Angeles.  I taught psychology
part-time at a community college for twenty (20) years, and
practiced as a licensed Marriage, Family, and Child
Counselor for fifteen (15) years.  When they first informed
me of my implants in June 1991, I thought they were using
infrasound and trying to make me psychotic and discredit my
testimony.  However, after a few days of testing what they
were saying to me, it became clear.  I have radio receiver-
transmitters implanted next to each of my ear drums, and an
EEG transmitter implanted in my brain.  They have
demonstrated quite conclusively they can read every one of
my thoughts.  The system is extremely fast and accurate.
They inform me of their knowledge of my most minimal
thoughts, auditory perceptions, and visual perceptions.  The
system is also very powerful.  I have tried evading the
radio signals by hiding in structures and traveling great
distances.  Unfortunately, they have always been able to
receive data from the transmitters, and I have always heard
their broadcast.  Nothing has been successful.

     The perpetrators are presently using the implants to
torture me.  They read every thought, make continual bizarre
distracting comments, give constant subliminal commands, and
use high pitch sounds against me every moment.  They use a
combination of extremely demented, vulgar, heinous, and
satanic ranting; then alternate this with informing me of
the details of thousands of days and experiences for which I
have had complete amnesia.  They will at times cause me to
laugh, smile, and display a lighter mood, while inside I
know they are creating an image for a situation and I am
actually extremely distressed.  I know that they still have
complete control of me, even though I am now aware of their
system.  They like to command me to do different behaviors,
then taunt me with I am their toy and robot.  They
continually remind me that it is impossible to counter their
subliminal commands.  They call this process of torturing me
"icing."  They have been controlling and torturing me for my
entire life.  The perpetrators increased their subliminal
broadcast to a conscious level and have been using the
speakers and EEG transmitter to torture me continuously
since June 1991.

     For over two and a half (2 1/2) years they incessantly,
viciously, and maniacally read my thoughts, make vulgar
comments, give me atrocious subliminal commands, broadcast
noxious sounds, and disorient me every moment.  They even
structure my dreams when I fall asleep from exhaustion.
They have several times kept me awake for several days, I
know I was very near death.  They tell me they are the
"Illuminati," or "Freemasons," or "Brotherhood;" or the
"C.I.A.," or "N.S.A.," or "U.S. Navy Intelligence," or "U.S.
Army Intelligence," or "U.S. Air Force Intelligence;" or a
particular corporation like "Rockwell International," or
"Lockheed Corporation," or "Northrop Corporation," or
"Exxon."  Probably each description contains some truth.  I
just think of them as The Organization.

     Since I began realizing in 1989 that I am a victim; for
about three (3) years no one would even admit to me that any
type of mind control existed.  I concluded that their
terrorism is so effective that no one ever talks about it.
Then in August 1992 an anonymous person in a book store
pointed to a book called Breaking The Circle of Satanic
Ritual Abuse (1992), by Daniel Ryder.  I can not concentrate
very well, so I only skimmed the book.  It presented
information about the "Marionette Syndrome," or slavery, and
other abuses.  It described explicitly some of the mind
control techniques, it gave references to other books on
ritual abuse, and it listed some organizations that help
people.

     In August 1992 I began contacting the above
organizations.  Most of the people with whom I spoke
acknowledged that the above atrocities are real and that
countless others have been victimized.  However, each
individual and organization presented some barrier to
actually helping me beyond occasionally listening to my
anguish.  One organization said it sounds like The
Illuminati or The Brotherhood is torturing me.  They said
they have helped several of their victims.  They told me
that they would send me some information, and then I should
call them back to make arrangements to travel to their
location.  When I called them again, they said they can help
others they just can't help me.  The above basic scenario
has happen on several occasions.  It seems that my
circumstance is just too controlled and dangerous, that
people are unable or afraid to help me.

     Consequently, in March 1993 I briefly wrote about my
understanding of what is happening to me.  I posted my
warning on CompuServe, the world's largest commercial
computer network, under the file name "warn-a.txt."  I also
posted the warning on several computer bulletin boards under
the file name "warn-all.txt."  Additionally, I mailed the
warning to all the supportive individuals and organizations
on a list that I have compiled that began with the list in
Daniel Ryder's book.  As well, I have personally distributed
the warning to many people.  I am in the process of revising
the warning to include more accurate information from
different sources.

     In March 1993 a psychologist from Los Angeles read my
warning and called me.  She said she knew that the
atrocities I had described are real, and told me I should
contact Julianne McKinney.  I subsequently contacted
Julianne McKinney.  She is a member of the Association of
National Security Alumni, and she is a director of the
Electronic Surveillance Project.  She also authored
Microwave Harassment and Mind-Control Experimentation
(1992).  It is about some of the various high technology
methods of abuse and mind control used by members the U.S.
Government.  She sent to me her publication and other
information.  Brain Transmitters:  What They Are And How
They Are Used (1992), Mediaecco; International Network
against Mind Control 's (INMC) letter to British Prime
Minister John Major, dated Stockholm September 9, 1992; and
a fact sheet Bio-Medical Telemetry Mind Control:  The
Technology and Its Possibilities (1992), Mediaecco; as well
as other information was sent to me.

     Since receiving the above information, I have received
a variety of books, documents, copies of X-rays, and a few
phone calls testifying to the reality of remote mind reading
and control.  For example, I received Operation Mind Control
(1978), Walter Bowart; Such Things Are Known (1982), Dorothy
Burdick; The Controllers (1990), Martin Cannon; Implantable
Biotelemetry Systems (1970), Thomas Fryer, NASA; and from
Mediaecco in Sweden an extensive Mind Control Bibliography
(1994), on mind control, bio-telemetry, and other electronic
mind control methods.

     I am incapacitated for days, weeks, and months at a
time.  My ability to be productive is gravely impaired, but
there are a few projects that my handlers have let me
complete.  I do not know why.  I do know they monitor my
every thought and action.  They were even suggesting phrases
to me for inclusion in this letter.  They control and
manipulate 90-100% of my behaviors.

     If you or anyone you know can be of any help in
securing freedom and surgery for me, I would be greatly
appreciative and forever indebted.  However, I am not
optimistic.  The Organization here in America seems to have
complete dominance of every individual and institution.
They boast to me how they are the Eye of Illuminati,
Freemasons, and the secret Greek Society.  They say they are
a worldwide nation that governs the world.  They tell me
that no country or organization would dare defy them.  They
indicate that they are the government behind most
governments.

     I would like to receive any information you have about
legitimate professional assistance.  However, please
remember that those who are controlling me will also know
your information.  I know first hand that their methods are
extremely effective and that they will do anything to retain
their power.  I know that they are masters of deceit and
frequently use a Trojan horse.  They set up front
organizations to portray that they are helping victims so
that they can uncover any underground opposition.  I hope
that some people and organizations that seem to be genuinely
helping victims are real.

     I am very skeptical.  For instance, I wonder about
former intelligence officers based in a suburb of
Washington, D.C., that publish information about government
abuses.  Why does the Association of National Security
Alumni publish an expose' about microwave harassment and
mind-control experimentation?  When in reality it is not
harassment or experimentation.  They are actually diabolical
torture and perfected mind control systems, respectively.
Why do they emphasize the beginning of government electronic
abuses in 1988 or 1989?  When they should very well know the
abuses have existed for decades.  You would think former
intelligence officers would know these facts.  Why do they
emphasize microwaves and directed-energy methods?  When
there are complete thought reading and mind control systems
using implanted devices, telemetry, and super-computers.
Why do they present circumstantial evidence with references
to records, scars, inconclusive X-rays, and victims'
testimonies?  When there are victims that are known to them,
and brain images, frequency analyzers, and surgeries prove
the existence of the devices beyond any doubt.  Why is there
no reference to the secret societies and fraternities like
the Mafia, PII, and Freemasons?  Why is there no mention of
the prevalence of mind controlled slaves?

     On the positive side, Julianne McKinney and the
Association of National Security Alumni sent to me
relatively explicit and useful information.  Their material
did provide examples and documentation of government and
medical community atrocities.  They did describe a variety
of methods and technologies used to commit abuses, including
some medical implants.  I can only hope that some who seem
to be helping victims, are genuine and have not been created
by, or replaced with perpetrators of the atrocities.

     I will continue to be skeptical and cautious.  I know
that all legal systems are usurped by The Organization and
public laws and constitutions are circumvented.

     I hope you disseminate the information I share with
you.  I would very much appreciate it if you can send me any
additional information, or if you can provide any help.  I
believe that I need a professional group familiar with
ritual abuse that could arrange a legitimate X-ray and
eventually surgery.  I do look forward to hearing from you.
Please keep in mind my caution about any communication with
me will be known by my handlers.

>As I recall, Wally, begrudgingly I presume, acknowledged some wit and
>creativity on your part after reading your "poem":
>Unlike you, he will acknowledge attributes when they are clearly positive
>and presented. If you demonstrated some wit, he acknowledged it, even in
>the heat of a funflamefest. In this regard, he offers an opening of
>generosity to his opponent -- something that you are unable to reciprocate.
>Ah so be it.
>Indeed, Wally even attributed some fine qualities about Anna Smith, and
>put himself in perspective at the same time:

Ah, yes. I remember reading Wally using a vulgar word (referring to the female
genitalia) to put down Mrs. Smith. Unlike him, I never used that word when
referring to females. I don't see why ya didn't flame him, if you think
"chick" is an icky word, what about Wally's comments about Mrs. Smith?
If you have trouble relating to a cute, fluffy, yellow bird, well...

>Anna has demonstrated that she shares the same attitude as Goober. Wally

Quite frankly, I like Anna's posts. I don't like yours.

>>You scolded Anna: "Remedial Reading, you need" - yet you post I dreamt of
>>being a "sopranno". I wonder where you read that? Is that part of your
>>creativity?
>
>Get real Goober. He never read it anywhere. We were all having a
>funflamefest, you included. In any event, Goober, you did attempt some
>creativity, and lo and behold, there was a brief appearance of it.

Oh. OK.

>have it both ways, eh! I guess your school trips to the ROM and Science
>Centre were a waste on you.

Since they weren't school trips, I went there by my own decision. So there.

Personally, I prefer Mexico City with the Torre LatinoAmerica and the
Chapultepec Park to Toronto with the CN Tower and High Park (I think it's
called High Park). I also prefer Popocatepetl to Mt. Logan. (Since vous etes so
creative, I'll give vous time to find out what Popocatepetl means in the
Nahuatl language. If you can't find it, let moi know.)

Gabor

Michel Andreew wrote:
 
Is there any possibility for a French English-teacher
to find a job in Eastern Europe so as to provide
conversational courses and learn the country's language ?

Thanks in advance

Michel Andreew
Phone : 33 62 17 86 84
Fax : 33 1 47 47 12 50

Message-ID: >
Anna Smith wrote with utter banality:
:Still no life Wally?

That's write; no still life, only the life of dada.

Re: SCM: Anna Smith Fails Poetic Licence Exam

Anna Smith replies:
:Are you still obscessed with this?  Get a life buddy!
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Totally lacking in creativity and wit, Ms Smith resorts to the dime-a-dozen
and well-worn phraseology of the dim-witted -- "Get a life." </yawn> But then
if that octopus Goober Barfsai is a friend of yours, it's understandable.

:Oh, BTW, Dr. Seuss was a published poet too 
:so I wouldn't get too full of yourself...LOLOLOLOLOL

Pity that you never transcended the level of Dr Seuss poetry. No wonder your
postings are bland and stereotypical.

On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, Wally Keeler wrote:
> C'mon Anna, get creative. Is this all you can deliver? A bland petty
> complaint? C'mon, sling a metaphor or two at me. Give us a presentation
> with some wit and humour. C'mon.

I'm afraid that will be impossible Wally. She has yet to produce a single
metaphor. Her imagination (the creativity portion) has atrophied beyond all
hope.

From: Enike >: Mon Apr 15 1996
Subject: Re: SCM: Anna Smith is Creatively Challenged

Anna Smith wrote:
:I'm glad there have been people who have written me letting me know that
:you aren't the normative idiocy around here. 

I know the feeling. I got considerable email letting me know the same
thing about your protector friend, Goober Barfsai, when he was being a
slobbering octopus. Regretably, he is all too typical of too many men.

:Now I'm going to take their advice (and there were many who I should've
:listened to I see) and ignore you. Children love negative reinforcement
:and you will get no further reinforcement from me. 

We will all be glad to be rid of your witless, uncreative and bland posts.

:I'm sure you'll reply, though, and try and goad me. It's not like 
:you're busy with a book tour or anything obviously.

But he is busy working on his next "book" thank you very much. But you can
keep working on your tan. Cogs need the rest once in a while.

In article >,
 (George Antony Ph 93818) wrote:

> The Italian and Austrian governments decided to resolve the issue within
> the following parameters:  South Tyrol remains in Italy, there is a wide
> territorial and cultural autonomy given to German speakers in South Tyrol,
> and the Austrian government is given rights as the formal advocate of 
> South Tyrol Austrians.  (There may well have been more details that I 
> cannot recall or I am not correct about, so I include crossposts to 
> soc.culture.austria and soc.culture.italian to allow a broader discussion.)

This sounds like an interesting solution but there really isn't enough
detail on what territorial autonomy means. Also what a formal advocate
for the South Tyrol Austrians does and what powers reside in that post
are still unclear. 

> Apart from minor grumbles (Italian South Tyroleans claiming discrimination
> by the German-speaking majority recently), the situation appears to be 
> satisfactory.

This sort of thing is what I would worry most about implementing such
a solution in Transylvania. The fundamental problem with autonomy is
whether hungarian ethnics would be content to live within the autonomy
agreement or would they view it as just another slice of the salami
so that they can eventually rejoin Hungary? What were the assurances
given to the Italians that they would not be jerked along by ever 
increasing demands?

DB

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Henrietta Thomas wrote:

>: Jesus is coming, look busy.
>
>This thread is off-topic for most of the newsgroups to which it has been 
>posted. I have removed my own favorite newsgroups from the headers, and 
>urge others to do the same. This will help to reduce inappropriate 
>crossposting in Usenet.

Thanks. I removed soc.culture.baltics from the list.

Juris Zagarins

Is there any possibility for a French English-teacher
to find a job in Eastern Europe so as to provide 
conversational courses and learn the country's language ?

Thanks in advance

Michel Andreew
Phone : 33 62 17 86 84
Fax : 33 1 47 47 12 50

Hi!

>Moreover, nowadays, these people don't realize that they enjoy so many
>rights and liberties, as a minority in Romania, that no other country in the
>world could provide that for them (except, of course, for Hungary; but then
>they would no longer be a minority). 

Could you please cite some of these rights and liberties for me? I am just
very curious.

Thanks in advance!

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